#1 - On the modern abuse of the word "art"

in #art8 years ago

What is art, even? This question, spoken aloud after a night of eating way too much chinese food, provoked a small debate. This was months ago. So far we have shared videos, articles, quotes, and many other interesting viewpoints, in our desire to find out what art even is. Then we hit a wall. It is our interest, from this point onward, to take the debate public. We do this, because we think there are many other people like us, who are fundamentally interesting in the subject of beauty and art, and yet feel somewhat at odds with the way the matter is being handled in public debate. It is our hope that our ponderings, however silly they might be, can be of interest, whether for entertainment or educational purposes, to people in similar situations.

(C) - So, what sort of premises are you coming at this with?

(F) - In my opinion, when one is hurdling slowly towards an improved understanding of art, I can think of two important premises, one of which being that beauty is not in the eye of the beholder or “A urinal is not art”. By this I mean I am convinced that there must be some sort of “essence” that all art subscribes to. After all, how can we talk about art as a concept if our ideas of what it is wildly differ. And why would we need the word ‘art’ at all?

(C) - When you say that, I can not help but think of Plato. I know that I always harp on about old-timey philosophers, for example in Symposion, where he very clearly get’s at the notion that there is some sort of truth or idea, that all beauty (and all things, if you read more of his dialogues) participate in:

using these steps only, and from one going on to two, and from two to all fair forms to fair practices, and from fair practices to fair notions, until from fair notions he arrives at the notion of absolute beauty, and at last knows what the essence of beauty is

  • -Plato, Symposion, 211.

The idea that there must be some “essence” of a thing, is not entirely new. Although the idea has somewhat fallen out of use in modern language, because we often view it as reductive - or at least that’s the charge often leveled at me when I present the case. My point is, the word “Art” is either (1) entirely useless, because it is merely a word we use to describe something we fancy, either aesthetically or because of it’s message, or (2) woefully abused in our modern language, because we throw it around at whatever seems to be this week’s new shiny golden calf.

(F) - Given the two options, I would personally lean towards the latter. There ought to be a limited amount of discussion about whether art exists, or else the word wouldn’t have been used to describe our topic in the first place, even though its exact definition has yet to be agreed upon. I think what we can agree on is that the usage of the word ‘art’ as a label is, in today’s society, heavily misguided. I could compare it to the word ‘awesome’. The go-to meaning of ‘awesome’ has become utterly diluted - now an expression for anything we find to be even vaguely interesting or exciting, where it originally was reserved for a feeling that came from a place of true wonder with a dash of fear. ‘Art’ has evolved fairly much the same way. Nowadays, any sort of creative expression is labelled art.

(C) - Just for arguments sake, what would one say to someone who doesn't agree with your idea of art as something more. Maybe, this sort of person would say, we have evolved past the age of superstition and now see art for what it truly is - something simply to tickle our senses, in any way possible. Personally, the only good arguments I can think of, in favor of art as “something more” are (1) A theistic one, which is not really of interest currently, and (2) The fact that most cultures have evolved a perception of art independently, however different they may be. What exactly this “more” is, is something we will have to debate further, but currently I find that our arguments (that the word Art is abused in our society today) rests on us demonstrating that “Art” is distinct and different from “Pleasant”.

(F) - Well, if we truly want to find out what’s going on here, I think we have to explore our premise further, that premise being that beautiful (art) is distinct from the pleasant. The question is how do we do that?

(C) - I think we would have to find art that is not necessarily pleasant, and something pleasant that is not necessarily art.

And thus the research began...

David

Source: http://www.accademia.org/explore-museum/artworks/michelangelos-david/

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You make an interesting point. Art to me is something that evokes emotion, positive or negative.

Hopefully it is pleasing to the eye and not offensive. What I find offensive may not be to someone else.

It seems that the cream usually rises to the top and the rest is a novelty.

I enjoyed your post. ☆☆☆☆☆😎

(C) Thank you - I do believe that the category of art is “larger” than the category of what is non-offensive. For example, I would categorize something like the bombardment of Guernica by Picasso as somewhat offensive to the eye (especially knowing the inspiration) - and still art. Your point about art proving the test of time resonates so clearly with me, I agree wholeheartedly.

(F) - Thank you. I’m glad you liked it. I do think there’s lots of beauty to be found at the top, but certainly a lot of beauty has been lost as well. Like many of Sophocles’ plays (we have discovered 7 out of his 120 plays. Such a shame). Hopefully though, we’ll find what we need.

Do you differentiate then between "art" and "decoration", or are they the same?

Just as "every stick has two ends", so the same with "Art".

There is objective art, and there is subjective art. Incidentally - ARTificial...hmmm :)

In objective art, the artist has some object, or objective, in mind. It is a calculated construction that will affect everyone in the same manner, irrespective of race, religion, culture, environment in which growth occurred, etc.. Objective Art, like true Literature, has something to teach. However, instead of instructing the intellect, the 'lessons' are instructive to the emotions. There is more than a world of difference between the Sistine Chapel and the "art" of Andy Warhol.

Subjective art is somewhat similar to masturbation. It is a subjective experience to the artist alone as he/she creates it. Regardless of the intent of the creator as to how he/she wants it to affect people, no two people will be affected the same way (as mentioned by @michaelstobiersk "What I find offensive may not be to someone else"). This is due to the fact that Objective artists of the past were Men of Knowledge. The artists of today are nothing of the sort.

I think the difference between the two can be expressed in the phrase "signal to noise ratio" --- Objective art is a signal, Subjective art is noise.

The true meaning and understanding of art has, unfortunately, evaporated with the passage of time.

--Homa

I agree that art can be divided into Objective and Subjective. Objective art is intentionally created to convey specific emotional information to other people or to future generations. It will not affect all people the same, but rather all people of a similar level of development. Persons of differing levels of development will experience different emotional truths in the piece of objective art.

I do not criticize "subjective" art as harshly as you do. It can be the attempt of the creators of the art to externalize, for others to view or for their own edification, the contents of their inner world. And thus has the potential to give material for attaining knowledge or growth. But it certainly can be much less than that - and virtually without value to anyone, even the "artist".

I agree, though I did neglect to mention differing levels of development - it was an oversight in my thought process (to me that was a given...thank you for the clarification!) One aspect of the beauty is that all levels are taken into account by the creator of objective art!

--Homa

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