Thank you for your kind words.@jlufer. Glad that you enjoy, they are for your benefit.
On a side note.....bleujay appreciates your gentlemanly behaviour...thoughtful and mindful of others...respecting womanhood. A most welcome characteristic on a public forum.
Thank you for your reply @bontonstory. Very kind of you to drop by.
Oh, yes....clouds are lovely to think on. These beautiful clouds are picture worthy.....fortunately...with a camera's assistance, they were brought to Steemit for the enjoyment of fellow Steemians.
Mission accomplished is revealed by your communicated thought.
How do we learn languages where the overlapping set of ideas that can be expressed is a Venn diagram?
How do we learn any language at all?
These are sincere questions, asked to refine my understanding of what you may mean by this principle. :) It is of course clear to me that a larger vocabulary surely facilitates thought.
Thank you for your reply @creatr. This is a principle which does bring to mind....queries.
Lets take a two year old...he has limited vocabulary....he knows food exists....he knows he is hungry...but can he articulate that he not only wants food,,, he wants it to taste good.....he would like for it to be beautifully presented...on his little plate....in his little chair......No he cannot. He feels his way through his life at that time...he does not have the vocabulary...the awareness of what it takes to serve a meal properly....nor does he care...he is limited by his lack of vocabulary/knowledge...and the ability to articulate it.
We could also use use the example of a football player in an interview when asked after a game...about a certain play and so forth...his reply...Cool..man...it was cool. He is obviously limited by his vocabulary to communicate thought or to think thought. Does he have football skills...obviously...can he think? probably not. Have you heard the term....'They probably cannot think their way out of a paper bag.'
You could also say in the context of vocabulary...there are technical vocabularies....a visit to the doctor reveals you need your spleen removed...and he proceeds to use a very technical vocabulary by which to explain his procedure to do so. If you do not know what a spleen is....your thinking/comprehension skill could not go further until you made yourself aware of what a spleen is.... and so forth with each technical word used in that discussion. The physician cannot communicate to you without using his vocabulary and you cannot understand/think/comprehend in his vocabulary.
Lets go to your queries.
How are new words created? better query..why are new words created......that we may be able to think furthur/beyond what we were thinking. ie. one desires to say something is not quite brand new but is new...so they create a new word.....'newish' in order to be able to go on to the next thought rather than go round the tree trying to figure out how to communicate a thought.
Next query...why learn any language at all would be a better query....in order to communicate thought to someone who does not think in your language......in order to comprehend thoughts in another language.
What are the thinking skills? awareness, analysis, comprehension come to mind and there are others.
We can feel our way through life or we can think our way through life.
Hello, @bleujay. Thank you for your kind and comprehensive response to my inquiry. This is a general topic that for me extends considerably beyond mere curiosity, although of that I have been blessed with plenty.
The instant "problem" I'm exercised with is that of my granddaughter's high school geometry/trigonometry course. She is struggling in it, and based on what I have observed, I believe that her problems are at least in part language based. There is an entire vocabulary that has grown up around this mathematical domain which (in my opinion) obscures rather than communicates.
What I believe has happened is that, over the course of centuries, mathematicians have made many interesting observations - in this realm of math, predominantly about lines and angles - and have created a bewilderingly rich vocabulary that perhaps goes to excess. In other words, at this point in my analysis, it seems to me that they have taken something quite conceptually simple and made it overly complex.
I will now attempt to reflect back a better understanding of what you are saying. Please do correct me if I've missed the point? I think your principle means something like this:
Language is the symbolic representation of ideas. The vocabulary of any language is the unique set of symbols associated with discrete ideas. Our minds are symbol processing computers. "Thinking" is a process whereby we store, organize, re-arrange, and communicate ideas, both to ourselves and others. Therefore, the richer our vocabulary, wherever it may come from, the more effective we can be at the process of "thinking."
In the case of geometry/trigonometry, my present intuition is that the language could use a top-to-bottom re-vamping. I strongly suspect that there could be a very helpful simplification, but I haven't proven that to myself yet. I will continue to struggle through this, partly for my own entertainment and growth, and of course for the sake of my granddaughter.
I thank you, dear @bleujay, for raising this interesting notion. :) 😄😇😄
Yes...lovely explanation....agree....thinking and therefore communicating; which is so important because The God communicates with mankind through His word.
Have you seen the movie...The Book Thief.....reminding one that letters become words, words become sentences, sentences become paragraphs, paragraphs become chapters, chapters become books.
Thank you for the reminder.....letters are symbols.
Regarding the topic of maths: Saxon Math is particurlary helpful with respect to the study of maths. Have a look...every mathematician bleujay has encountered respects it immensely.
Saxon Math consists of several volumes.... also available at Amazon. Robinson Curriculum has an explanation of it on his website as well. Perhaps one could extract the material needed to progress in geometry.
...a fun fact....Thieme did ten math problems a day to keep his grey cells active in that department.
Thank you for the Saxon recommendation; I encountered Saxon years ago when we were almost entirely home-schooling, and appreciate being reminded of them. I have also heard of The Book Thief, but not yet seen it. I look forward to doing so.
On language; according to some, DNA itself fits the rigorous definition of a language, thus testifying to a wise Creator. A gentleman by the name of Perry Marshall has developed a fascinating presentation based on this thesis.
Thank you again for your thought-provoking interaction, friend @bleujay!
beautiful clouds. But I disagree with the idea of not being able to think beyond our vocabulary. I have had moments an idea, thought, or dream where I could not describe it to some one else. In those cases I either put it in visual perspective, practical application, or just dismissed it. We have a subconscious form of thinking that sometimes pops out when we least expect it and it catches us off guard. Our conscious mind doesn't know how to process it, so we either fight to figure it out or we put it in the back of our mind for another day. This usually results in a conflict between the conscious and the subconscious, which ultimately drives us nuts, until we figure it out. :-0
Nice principle, great photos. My opinion is that people with limited or bad vocabulary can explain everything and express themselves perfectly, but much slower than others. So, people with limited or bad vocabulary are not less intelligent than others, but it takes more time to these persons to express, so I think that is the same as thinking... and all that make them slow - thinkers, not less - thinkers
Excellent the reflection of day, beautiful images, thanks for sharing dear friend @bleujay
greetings to your family
Thank you for your kind words.@jlufer. Glad that you enjoy, they are for your benefit.
On a side note.....bleujay appreciates your gentlemanly behaviour...thoughtful and mindful of others...respecting womanhood. A most welcome characteristic on a public forum.
Greetings to you and your family as well. Cheers.
I'd like to play jumping on the clouds. :)) Take care of you @bleujay
Thank you for your reply @bontonstory. Very kind of you to drop by.
Oh, yes....clouds are lovely to think on. These beautiful clouds are picture worthy.....fortunately...with a camera's assistance, they were brought to Steemit for the enjoyment of fellow Steemians.
Mission accomplished is revealed by your communicated thought.
Wishing you all the best. A bientot. ^_^
You and the assistant were very good ^^ @bleujay
Thank you!
How, then, are new words created?
How do we learn languages where the overlapping set of ideas that can be expressed is a Venn diagram?
How do we learn any language at all?
These are sincere questions, asked to refine my understanding of what you may mean by this principle. :) It is of course clear to me that a larger vocabulary surely facilitates thought.
Thank you for your reply @creatr. This is a principle which does bring to mind....queries.
Lets take a two year old...he has limited vocabulary....he knows food exists....he knows he is hungry...but can he articulate that he not only wants food,,, he wants it to taste good.....he would like for it to be beautifully presented...on his little plate....in his little chair......No he cannot. He feels his way through his life at that time...he does not have the vocabulary...the awareness of what it takes to serve a meal properly....nor does he care...he is limited by his lack of vocabulary/knowledge...and the ability to articulate it.
We could also use use the example of a football player in an interview when asked after a game...about a certain play and so forth...his reply...Cool..man...it was cool. He is obviously limited by his vocabulary to communicate thought or to think thought. Does he have football skills...obviously...can he think? probably not. Have you heard the term....'They probably cannot think their way out of a paper bag.'
You could also say in the context of vocabulary...there are technical vocabularies....a visit to the doctor reveals you need your spleen removed...and he proceeds to use a very technical vocabulary by which to explain his procedure to do so. If you do not know what a spleen is....your thinking/comprehension skill could not go further until you made yourself aware of what a spleen is.... and so forth with each technical word used in that discussion. The physician cannot communicate to you without using his vocabulary and you cannot understand/think/comprehend in his vocabulary.
Lets go to your queries.
How are new words created? better query..why are new words created......that we may be able to think furthur/beyond what we were thinking. ie. one desires to say something is not quite brand new but is new...so they create a new word.....'newish' in order to be able to go on to the next thought rather than go round the tree trying to figure out how to communicate a thought.
Next query...why learn any language at all would be a better query....in order to communicate thought to someone who does not think in your language......in order to comprehend thoughts in another language.
What are the thinking skills? awareness, analysis, comprehension come to mind and there are others.
We can feel our way through life or we can think our way through life.
Principles are for our ponderance. Enjoy.
Kind Regards, bleujay.
Hello, @bleujay. Thank you for your kind and comprehensive response to my inquiry. This is a general topic that for me extends considerably beyond mere curiosity, although of that I have been blessed with plenty.
The instant "problem" I'm exercised with is that of my granddaughter's high school geometry/trigonometry course. She is struggling in it, and based on what I have observed, I believe that her problems are at least in part language based. There is an entire vocabulary that has grown up around this mathematical domain which (in my opinion) obscures rather than communicates.
What I believe has happened is that, over the course of centuries, mathematicians have made many interesting observations - in this realm of math, predominantly about lines and angles - and have created a bewilderingly rich vocabulary that perhaps goes to excess. In other words, at this point in my analysis, it seems to me that they have taken something quite conceptually simple and made it overly complex.
I will now attempt to reflect back a better understanding of what you are saying. Please do correct me if I've missed the point? I think your principle means something like this:
In the case of geometry/trigonometry, my present intuition is that the language could use a top-to-bottom re-vamping. I strongly suspect that there could be a very helpful simplification, but I haven't proven that to myself yet. I will continue to struggle through this, partly for my own entertainment and growth, and of course for the sake of my granddaughter.
I thank you, dear @bleujay, for raising this interesting notion. :) 😄😇😄
Thank you for your reply @creatr.
Yes...lovely explanation....agree....thinking and therefore communicating; which is so important because The God communicates with mankind through His word.
Have you seen the movie...The Book Thief.....reminding one that letters become words, words become sentences, sentences become paragraphs, paragraphs become chapters, chapters become books.
Thank you for the reminder.....letters are symbols.
Regarding the topic of maths: Saxon Math is particurlary helpful with respect to the study of maths. Have a look...every mathematician bleujay has encountered respects it immensely.
Saxon Math consists of several volumes.... also available at Amazon. Robinson Curriculum has an explanation of it on his website as well. Perhaps one could extract the material needed to progress in geometry.
...a fun fact....Thieme did ten math problems a day to keep his grey cells active in that department.
Your thoughtful reply is appreciated.
Wishing you and yours all the best.
Thank you for the Saxon recommendation; I encountered Saxon years ago when we were almost entirely home-schooling, and appreciate being reminded of them. I have also heard of The Book Thief, but not yet seen it. I look forward to doing so.
On language; according to some, DNA itself fits the rigorous definition of a language, thus testifying to a wise Creator. A gentleman by the name of Perry Marshall has developed a fascinating presentation based on this thesis.
Thank you again for your thought-provoking interaction, friend @bleujay!
thanks
....and thank you @holgermarkgraf.
beautiful clouds. But I disagree with the idea of not being able to think beyond our vocabulary. I have had moments an idea, thought, or dream where I could not describe it to some one else. In those cases I either put it in visual perspective, practical application, or just dismissed it. We have a subconscious form of thinking that sometimes pops out when we least expect it and it catches us off guard. Our conscious mind doesn't know how to process it, so we either fight to figure it out or we put it in the back of our mind for another day. This usually results in a conflict between the conscious and the subconscious, which ultimately drives us nuts, until we figure it out. :-0
Thank you for your reply.
Whatever your experience the principle still stands. ^_^
Nice principle, great photos. My opinion is that people with limited or bad vocabulary can explain everything and express themselves perfectly, but much slower than others. So, people with limited or bad vocabulary are not less intelligent than others, but it takes more time to these persons to express, so I think that is the same as thinking... and all that make them slow - thinkers, not less - thinkers
@bleujay I love the 2nd cloud pics -
can't think beyond my vocab huh? ... but I can .. except .. they're meaningless :D
hahaha
Cheers!
Thank you for your kind words @englishtchrivy.
Glad you enjoyed the photographs and the principle.
Wishing you all the best. Cheers.