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yes, yes, @erodedthoughts got it, @saywha is approaching the drawing with dark colors right away that leads to over using it, I usually have five tones of the color I m working into when I use markers, I usually start of with the middle color or the 2nd to the lightest tone. then goes dark, then adds color pencil lines over it.

this guy draws rougher than me LOL... around 10 times rougher LOL

but he uses tracing paper, and that is easier to work on, Ive been just using coupon bonds coz Im stingy, I dont even erase the pencils anymore.

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