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RE: Prove Me Wrong @Kakfanarchy84

in #anarchy4 years ago

May I act as mediator here?

First of all, what are your questions? Please post them below and let @kafkanarchy84 respond. Of course, you can judge the quality of his answers, but I will look on them as well and consider them from another perspective to help us all determine whether or not they answer your questions or evade them.

Additionally, please explain what you mean by the statement, you are actively seeking to ruin all these people that simple support that campaign.

Who are all these people? Surely, you don’t mean every single Kokesh supporter. And how exactly is @kafkanarchy84 actively seeking to ruin these people?

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Thank you for offering, that would be great! I didn't mean my questions specifically. The heart of this issue is he saying someone threatened him.I haven't seen him present tangible proof about this. Who threatened you Kafka? Why do you feel the need to "try and mow down all of Adams followers" as well? It seems like you're turning this into a political strategy while claiming you're afraid for your family. From a "threat" that was never issued.
You were approached by someone that ruins peoples lives for a living. Someone that no one hired. This hacker then told you everything she COULD do (even though no one asked her to obviously). In a desperate effort for political gain, you try to make all of this FACT. Did anyone besides the hacker issue you a threat?

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Well, what questions are you referring to exactly?

In your response to my offer, you pose three questions:

  1. Who threatened you Kafka?
  2. Why do you feel the need to “mow down all of Adam’s followers” as well?
  3. Did anyone besides the hacker issue you a threat?

I see that @kafkanarchy84 has already responded to your comment, but I won’t address that because it seems premature. I would rather begin by asking you to clarify the questions you would like a response to. Are the three questions above the real questions you want to ask @kafkanarchy?

In your post, you seem to refer to other simple questions that he has evaded. Would you rather pose these questions to him?

In other words, please be specific. Then maybe you can get the answers you are looking for.

My question is simple.

To be threatened or have your family threatened, someone must issue a threat.

Besides the "white hat" hacker, who issued a threat to Kafka? Screenshots?

Sorry, I’ve been busy and wasn’t able to respond to your comment here.

In your comment, you acknowledge that KafkA was threatened. You state that he was threatened by a “white hat” hacker.

Your question then states, who else threatened you? Did the screenshots threaten you?

You seem to take issue with the word threaten. Indeed, in the screenshots that KafkA provides, and in the scenario that he shares with us, there do not appear to be any verbal and/or direct threats made to him.

Another meaning of the word threat, however, is to cause harm to someone or something. What KafkA has described is a plan to do him (and his family) harm.

I concur with you that nobody said to Kafka, I will cause you physical harm. I will ruin your life or anything else that could be considered what I will refer to as a direct threat. Kafka seems to agree with this as well.

It does appear to me, though, that a plan was being developed to do harm to Kafka and his family, which could also be stated as a plan to threaten Kafka and his family.

Do you agree with this, or disagree?

There is a difference in feeling threatened than actually being threatened.

I'll ask you more directly. Do you confirm that a plan was being developed to do harm to Kafka? Or do you find the evidence inconclusive?

I agree. There is a difference. Sometimes you can misinterpret things and feel threatened, when in actuality, you aren’t being threatened. Do you not see the story and evidence being displayed by Kafka as proof that someone wanted a cyber attack/sabotage conducted on him?

A plan was set in motion, as documented by extensive evidence, to destroy my life via a cyber attack. This plan was already put in motion. Thus, the plan set in motion was an active threat to my safety, and that of my family.

Would you agree that something can threaten you, without being a direct verbal threat (as was issued via Famer to Tatiana Moroz at the behest of Adam)?

For example, if I plan to hack your bank account or bug your car, and the plan is in motion, is not said plan a threat to your security and safety?

Do you understand?

So no one issued you a threat verbally or written? You're only going off of someone's personal and private communication without context?

As I stated prior, there is a mountain of context: metadata-analyzable photos, phone numbers, video, and a PayPal address. Please see previous documented threats and manipulation sent from Adam by Ben, verified directly by Farmer, as well. One to Tatiana Moroz, and one putting political pressure on the 9-year-old son of the treasurer, Angela Owens.

Plus the whole conversational context in the video.

Is this, to your thinking, a lack of context?

So no one issued you a threat verbally or written?

If you truly are unable to grok the reality that something can threaten, without a directly issued verbal threat, I cannot help you, and will not insult myself by continuing the debate. Lol.

But I will answer.

Is this what you mean?


Adam & Ben - “HEY GRAHAM! WE ARE GOING TO RUIN YOUR LIFE! JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW!”


⬆️ Did this happen? No.

Now, if your “argument” is that in absence of an explicit, direct threat, such as the silly example above, no evil, and/or threatening deeds are ever or ever can be carried out, which threaten people’s lives, then I honesty do not know what to tell you.

This is...basic reality. Your life can be threatened by a murder plot without you knowing it, no? A doxxing plot without you knowing it, no?

Yes, or no?

Well, I’ve spent a lot of time on this, and you’ve ceased replying, only to write(?)/resteem another post by another account saying the same things and full of misinformation.

I shouldn't have put in quotes the mow down comment. But is Kafka attacking non Kokesh supporters?

I don’t know. Is he? If so, point me to the evidence. I don’t have time to research this by myself, but I will happily moderate your arguments (at my own pace) and follow the links you provide for me.

You’re right, I didn’t say that, so you shouldn’t have.

Can you define “attacking?” All I am doing is downvoting campaign staff that have posted the “official statement,” and refuse to address the serious evidence.

It is my opinion that such individuals have no place on this blockchain. I am using a function built directly into the Steemit.com protocol to voice my market preference.

There are other supporters, who did not issue the “official statement,” who, though I find them unpleasant, remain unflagged by my account.

Either way, I would hardly call downvoting someone 20 cents, an “attack.”


Either way, I would hardly call downvoting someone 20 cents, an "attack."


Interpreting... Interpreting... multiple results found:


translation: "don't fight it"
translation: "just let it happen"
translation: "it will be over soon"


Believe steemians. Rewardrape is real #metoo!


BTW, that's not me taking sides on this, only
taking sides on tacky downvote arguments.


Strawman.

Never claimed/meant/implied any of your “translations.”

Thanks for stopping by and fantastically missing the point.

kafkanarchy84 (74) · 1 hour ago
You’re right, I didn’t say that, so you shouldn’t have

Ok, I am being decent by claiming a typo. Kindly tone down your infamous fascist mindset. You do not have any right to tell me what I should or shouldn't have worded my statement.

Saying you shouldn’t have directly quoted me saying something I didn’t say is wrong?

I am still waiting for the yes or no question regarding my last comment. You changed threads and did not answer.

Thank you.
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