I see humans that need government and religion as a devolved slave race that will end up killing everything on the planet if not converted or stopped, like a large version of the rat utopia experiment. I see them killing themselves off pretty quickly, either due to their devolved state of reasoning or due to their completely unsustainable way of meeting their survival needs through man made systems, using man's fallible rules instead of Nature's infallible rules. I, and others like me, people that can exist in harmony with Nature and can be good people without needing leaders, hope to survive the inevitable collapse of civilizations and evolve humanity back and forward, back into a species that uses Nature's resource based economy to meet our survival needs.

Once one has seen real freedom, it's very rare that they can re-enter civilization without LOTS of drugs to dull the pain of participating in the death of one's species. If one claims to be a moral and ethical person and also supports religion and government, they are deluded. Religion and government disempower people and make them dependent and susceptible to supporting tyranny and violence. I won't debate this because it's blatant truth and anyone arguing it is either dumb, trolling, or shilling.

If you'd like to keep being a slave, that's fine with me but just know that if you don't kill yourselves off peacefully and soon, other forces of Nature, in an attempt to survive will kill you off violently. Whether it's disease, natural disasters, droughts, famine, or roving bands of feral humans, civilization and those supporting it will be eliminated. Until that happens, I'll be waking up every day and doing exactly what I want to do because I'm not dependent upon slavery systems, violence, ignorance, or dogma to "belong".

Please take this as an attempt to educate and not as an attack or threat. I'm just stating the results of many years of research and experience from within civ and from outside of it.