Understanding What We Can't See - Conspiracy, "Debunking", and Absence of Evidence - Part Two
Introduction to Part Two
In Understanding What We Can't See - Conspiracy, "Debunking", and Absence of Evidence - Part One, we talked about the possibility of a lack of evidence when something is true, about why we believe things in the situations where we can't prove them, about why we want to believe certain things, about impossible logical situations, and about why believing in something that can't be proven can lead to mental stress.
In the followup, we are going to talk about how this applies in "conspiracy" theory. First in regards to the possibility of a kakistocracy, and then following from that in regards to PizzaGate. I put "conspiracy" in quotes because there is the connotation that discussion of conspiracy theories is in the realm of the mentally ill, and we have seen that is not a direct correlation.
I need to make two things very clear before I begin the followup to Part One.
- I was not calling out anyone in particular as crazy! In fact, although Rich has a more extreme interpretation of PizzaGate than I do, we are agreed that there are governmentally connected and/or influential pedo rings, that there is something disturbing about the Podesta ring even before a pedo aspect comes into play, and that there is something not right in the Podesta emails.
- When someone claims that a given theory has been "debunked" without conclusive proof, they are as engaged in conspiratorial thinking as is the person making the unproven claim.
Did you do your required reading from last time? ;> If not, no matter. I'll include the video link that is the most important to this discussion
The Kakistocracy
A summary from last post:
The word comes from the Greek words kakistos (κάκιστος; worst) and kratos (κράτος; rule), with a literal meaning of government by the worst people.
I'll let Dr. Tjeerd Andringa discuss the theory of the kakistocracy a little more in depth:
Now, I can no more prove the existence, or the non-existence, of the kakistocray, than I can prove existence or the non-existence of g!d. I'll return to the question of circular logic here:
1- IF a kakistocracy exists, it uses murder, intimidation, and blackmail to conceal it's existence.
2- So the absence of evidence of a kakistocracy does not lead to proof that a kakistocracy does not exist.
3- On the other hand, the absence of that evidence is not proof that a kakistocracy is destroying that evidence, and therefore exists.
What I will do is lay out some possibilities about the forms a kakistocracy could exist as; from the worst case scenario to the least:
- There is a worldwide kakistocracy that does control everything, a New World Order or an Illuminati.
- There is a worldwide kakistocracy that may not control everything but does have undue influence over world events, as in perhaps a Bohemian Grove where these folks trade favors.
- There are regional kakistocracies which are stronger or weaker individually which do control some countries, industries, or companies. These groups may cooperate. You could use the prevalence of pedophilia in Hollywood as an example at this level
- There are individual kakistocracies that may control an individual county, small city, or company. Think of the pedo ring covered up in Rotherdam. At this point, depending on how weak these groups control over their baronies, we might not even bother to refer to them as kakistocacies but simply corruptocracies (If you have read me for a while, you will see that my most often used word to describe various politicians and burrocrats is corruptocrat
- There are no kakistocracies or corruptocracies; there are just pyscho/socio -paths that manage to cooperate with each other and subvert their institutions.
Some characteristics of kakistocrats
- They are liars - Lies are powerful weapons
- They are often narcissistic or dark triad personalities
- A common theory to describe their operations is that they seek out ( or even attempt to modify a person's behavior) other corrupt people to work for them
The link to pedophilia and PizzaGate
A variation in that last theory is that kakistocrats seek out pedophiles or emesh new recruits as pedophiles in order to maintain a firm grip on their activity via blackmail. Three years ago, I would have laughed at this theory as insane.
Now?
- Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal - Exposed 2013
- A Timeline of Child Abuse in Hollywood - Polanski has been a Hollywood hero since he fled the country
- Dennis Hastert - Exposed 2015
- The Corrupt Business of Child Protective Services - Exposed 2007
- Catholic Church sexual abuse cases
So, as a fact, we have proven cases where government officials and/or influential industries facilitated the sexual abuse of children
Narrowing down the discussion to PizzaGate, I will not rehash discussions of evidence.
I will point out the Clintons's long history of associating with child traffickers:
- Flight logs show Bill Clinton flew on sex offender's jet much more than previously known - Epstein infamous for his "Orgy Island", aka "Pedo Island", and "Sex Slave Island"
- The Clinton-Silsby Trafficking Scandal And How The Media Attempted To Ignore/Cover It Up
Since there is a lack of evidence, people assign their own experiences and beliefs into it. The people that have uncritically accepted the Ministry of Truth's "debunking" will say let let's move on from this, while the people that have noted a consistent pattern of lying and deceit on the part of the media will be more receptive to the idea that pedophilia and murder are at the core of the Podesta emails.
Some alternative theory
Now we have pointed out that people must use faith and personal experience in making judgements in cases where facts are not present. We as humans do get caught up in binary thinking...that our choices must be THIS OR THAT.
Let's look at some alternate explanations for PizzaGate in the narrow look and sex abuse in the larger light.
Pizzagate was the Clinton syndicate using a the pizza code for other purposes (ordering minutes of pizza?, OK), possibly illegal campaign activites; noting the "art" and occult "hobbies" of that crowd, it is plausible that they adapted known pedo codes just for sick thrills.
Pedo rings may be simply the result of individual sex rings or corruptocrats covering their ass. In Rotherham, the most accepted explanation is that the abuse was allowed to continue to protect a political narrative of the leftists that Islam is not a problem in England:
The England That Is Forever Pakistan: Multiculturalism and Rape in Rotherham
If you look at political theories such as group complex or the bureaucratic politics model, organizations begin to protect the organization rather than the mission they were created to serve at some point in their growth; the individuals in the organization then ignore the job they are SUPPOSED to do in favor of guarding the organization.
Once case that this is pretty clear in regards to the sexual abuse of children is the Penn State child sex abuse scandal, in which the abuse was known but not commonly participated in the the institution and it's members.
Decamp did try to tie in Penn State to the Franklin Scandal, but I am not going farther down that line of inquiry. It is there for those that choose to take it
The Conclusion
Nothing is debunked or proven until the evidence is there to prove it. End of story. There is no need to silence discussion on an issue in which the facts are in doubt, or there is absence of evidence.
People are going to make judgements on issues in which there is no clear evidence based upon their faith and experience. Some of their conclusions will be be outlandish to you, but be prepared to be wrong:
I used to mock the libertarian "New World Order" conspiracists relentlessly when I was a neocon, pointing out every single logical flaw and error in results, calling them "Ron Paultards" and "Black Helicopter Freaks".
Its rather annoying that they were right more often than I was in several areas!
So keep your mind open, and continue to seek out new facts, and new explanations; apply scientific method and critical thinking. Use logic relentlessly. Prepare to be wrong. Accept that faith is a way of understanding the world. Don't let yourself go nuts over what you can't prove or disprove.
Trust in g!d and carry a hidden pistol.
...and have a great weekend!
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got here from @krnel , interesting didn't read it all it's too much and I've moved past my interest in pedos gate>
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Here is the crux of the "proof" problem. These things cannot be proven.
Let us take as example Clinton's long line of mysteriously dead people. The only other person I know with such a line of bodies is the fictional character Jessica Fletcher in Murder, She Wrote. And many of these deaths are SUSPICIOUS... and more suspicious because they are labelled as suicide.
The evidence is mounded high, but there is no proof.
So, what is proof of a pedo-ring? It literally is catching them in the act and shooting them full of hole while they are on top of a child, while filming the whole thing. (by the way, if you are thinking of trying such a daring stunt, they have, in place, many armed guards, both inside and outside.)
There have been people trying to expose this decades before pizza-gate became a word. The evidence is mounded high.
The evidence for Kakistocracy is mounded high. Tragedy and Hope, the podcast, has hours of audio relating information upon this. Greatest Truth Never Told. Tragedy and Hope (the Tome). Corbett Report...
Of course it could all be coincidence.
Mike McQeary caught Jerry Sandusky in the act and wandered off in shock; these acts are repellent and people aren't going to respond as we think they should, with righteous justice.
When MCqueary reported the act, Penn State officials "underestimated" his story. It has to be worse when it is government officials, with the power of arrest or prosecution, are the ones covering it up
As first world citizens, we are trained to not be able to respond with righteous justice.
And there are many many stories of victims who aren't believed, or are drugged, or treated as insane or have their lives destroyed. It IS worse.
But, we believe in "the law" and "justice of the court" and a "fair trial", when all of these are provably false, as anyone who has had a run-in with them can attest.
We also believe that the news is news, that they would report important information.
These things we were told as we grew up, and were echoed in television programming.
It is almost impossible to stop believing in these lies.
We all have free will, and so, there will never be proof.
It is a matter of enough people all believing the same thing and saying that it is so.
Wow! A lot to chew on here. Kakistocracy and Corruptocrats are pretty much the same except perhaps in degree. One thing I've written fairly extensively about is how the corrupt, or worst element as I generally characterize them, always strive for positions of power. All institutions, movements, etc., are inevitably usurped by people that wish to use them to their own ends rather than for whatever purpose they were created. This seems true no matter the size or scope. One example is the Civil Rights movement. Dr. King's reasonable approach to race relations was usurped by people like Malcolm X and later the Black Panthers. The US government, designed to provide individual liberty by the best minds of the times has degenerated into what we have now. I think you get the point.
Lamentably, "good" people don't seem to be drawn to positions of power. Rousseau wrote quite a bit that alluded to that without ever hitting the proverbial nail on the head.
How the Kakistocracy is connected to Pizzagate somewhat eludes me. I guess pedophilia is more attractive to elites. Or perhaps they aren't the ones that get caught because they tend to be better insulated. Whether or not they're a part of the "New World Order" remains to be seen. I don't deny the possibility of the Illuminati, but who they might be seems difficult to nail down. There is a movement toward one world government...but that's for another day.
Great article! By the way, it's OK to say God...He likes you (He told me so) Upvoted & resteemed
Thanks for the resteem!
SDS and SNCC were specifically telling people to ignore Dr. King and to resort to violence. You will note that New Left terror groups (in which I include the Black Panthers and their splinters) did not begin terror operations in earnest until after the political reforms of President Johnson
"good" people are socialized to be receptive to authority. self-defense is socialized as being "bad". personal responsibility is socialized as being "bad". heroism is socialized as being "bad". that pattern goes on and on
The theory that I discussed is that power groups "recruit" pedophiles, or find other susceptible weaknesses, before people are brought into the group. That way there is a method to control them and remain within the agenda of the kakistocracy/corruptocracy.
I like the old Jewish way of saying it...Jehovah was JHVH, for example, It's to express the indefinable nature of his power.
Great comments Rich!
Nice post, now following!
Tjeered notes how these psychopaths that rise to the top are often WILLINGLY blackmailed because it allows them to become closer to the inner most circles of the power elite -
They do not "recruit pedophiles" per se, they are recruiting psycho/soicio-paths.
Great stuff, hope there's a part 3
I remember running across the "recruitment theory" first here on Steemit a couple of months ago specifically in relation to the pedo angle.
Dr. Tjeered's detail of the theory in the "recruitment" process put the idea into more ordered sense. Of course a pyscho would not care that he was hurting children if that put him closer to power.
Thanks for the comment and the focus on that point! follow returned ;)
Part Three may or not not be forthcoming, I covered the main argument I wanted to make.
I have been considering a post on the necessity of killing and honor systems in society; how our society has moved away from rational considerations from justice and into emotive based systems. Socialization processes have moved us more towards acceptance of these crimes by those in power.
Was a single public official lynched after Rotherham?
From my point of view, there is only one real way of dealing with psychos.
Thanks Buddy...I would have written more but I'm working on an update of my earlier post. I'm going to post H.G. Wells' Things to Come, but I want to write some stuff to go with it about human nature.
I understand...I haven't even got to your earlier post that I upvoted earlier ;>
I'm not too much in favor of the "New World Order" perspective myself. I tend to look at these things as individual groupings of corruption that cooperate via shared ideology or momentary opportunity.
I interpret things on that "regional kakistocracies" model from above.
I will say things like the globalist/leftist alliance a lot, but that is really an oversimplification.
Just a bunch of bobbleheads bobbing around on a sea of do-gooding and rent-seeking
In my post earlier I talked about isms and how they all work fine on paper. I kinda got after the anarcho-capitalists and their non-aggression principle (good luck with that one) It's one of the best ideas I've heard yet BUT, how ya going to get everybody else to go for it??? I'm writing a little more about that before my movie (that drives the point home some)
no political theory survives contact with the people. LOL
you have norms of behavior and outliers of behavior. you can socialize towards the norm to a certain point
any -ism that relies on the norm to work and doesnt consider outliers or resistance is doomed to failure
doomed, I tell ya!
Like I wrote- theories, ism's, principles, etc are fun as mental masturbation...but like all masturbation, should always be done in private!
LOL
This is very interesting, very solid work!
BUT .. surely, a person of your obvious capability, is not trying to say that .. because public figures have in the past been implicated, or were downright guilty of child abuse, that this somehow bolsters the idiotic case being made between the Clintons, Haitian refugees and Comet mf'in Pizza?
In the cases you listed above, there were victims, there was proof, there were court actions, and findings of guilt made based on said evidence. I will be the first to call PizzaGate-deniers a bunch of duped aholes, if ever the same happens.
what I am saying, exactly, is that while there is no proof that PizzaGate is a pedo ring, that the "debunking" that has been done so far has been done by those same DNC approved journalists that guaranteed the suckers that vote democratic that Hillary would win by 10 points, while failing to disclose their D+10 polling samples.
Following from that, and considering that there is a circular logic problem in obtaining proof either way, that people are going to resort to faith either way to make a judgement. People that vote democratic will scrape up every tired rationalization they used to defend every action of that corrupt political party in the past. People who focus in on the pedo angle will note Podesta's "art" and occultism, the Clinton's long time associations with child molesters from Epstein to Weiner, and the long time media tradition of covering up for democrats, and in particular the Clintons.
FWIW, I don't think it's a pedo ring. I think that the pizza code was used to hide illegal political operations.
But since the Clintons are such deceitful scumbags, they themselves destroyed much of the evidence that may have exonerated them.
Well, except for Huma's "life insurance" copies of the entire thing, and those email copies on the phone that Weiner was using to attempt to seduce a minor.
Perhaps the media should have simply said, "there is no evidence supporting the pedo angle", but then if they were to have done an honest job, they would have had to examine the nature of those messages and let the public know how many minutes of pizza the Podesta ring was ordering,
This is a bit of a digression, but it is funny that politicians and "journalists" that spend so much time telling the public that we shouldn't worry if we have nothing to hide don't want to apply that axiom to themselves.
Nice article. There are so many dimensions to this. Our brains use short cuts to decide what to believe and not believe. It is not hard to sway a human brain to believe even in the face of solid evidence. Example - roll out an authority figure. I am just beginning to grasp this as a whole area of dealing with facts and facts.
A way I am working through to grasp the way the kakistocracy works is to understand how they aim to make money based on the gap between the words they say and the way their investments may be positioned. After all 5 major corporations control over 80% of US (and free world) media. These are not all lined up on the side of the fence - think old world vs new world order.
An aside: where I come from the word "kak" means "shit". We may be in the hands of a shitocracy or a few of them. Hold your noses
great comment. followed.
the short cuts our brains use are called heuristics when they work and cognitive biases when they don't ;>
I've got a series of posts on critical thinking and cognitive bias plays a large part in that; you could say the faith that I refer to in this post comes from cognitive bias.
shitocracracy...an apt description of these people!