@cryptoviking, thanks for the input. Their are plenty of pump and dump groups but many are scams and you lose money. Personally, I am starting my own own that benefits everyone and doesn't make it so obvious it's a pump (slow pump followed by quick dump for the group). May I ask what hardware walled and how complicated it is to set up? I want the nano s but hate that I will have to wait three months for it. Your strategies make you sound like me, I am the same way and I am glad you will listen to why a coin is bad before you invest...a great strategy. Good luck with your goals!