The First Million-Person Conversation [Interview Ohad Asor of Tau-Chain]

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Scaling Ideas with Blockchain


To many, the greatest promise of blockchain is the idea of scalability - monetary scalability, data scalability, and the potential to be inclusive of individuals worldwide. Decentralization allows us to imagine new systems that don’t buckle under the weight or compromise themselves in the face of global usership and accessibility.

A few key leaders in the blockchain industry are pushing that envelope even further, with a belief that scalability will impact the process of thought and interaction. These leaders believe that blockchain technology is here on a fundamental level to organize and understand the complexity of human ideation. Ohad Asor is one such developer, dedicating himself to a unique blockchain project, Tau-Chain, and an ambition to use decentralized networks to fuel the evolution of human comprehension.

The Creative Crypto: Hello Ohad! Tell us about yourselves and how you entered the blockchain space.


I’ve been a software developer and mathematician all my life. I got to know about Bitcoin in 2013, though unfortunately didn’t buy any back then! Around early 2014, I came up with the ideas that would eventually become Tau-Chain and Agoras. I’ve been working on a new “Internet of Languages” since then which evolved into include its own currency and internal systems.

There was one core reason that blockchain fascinated me in the beginning. Blockchain is essentially a magical way to decentralize information storage and use. Having a database that everyone can contribute to and help secure was previously not thought to be possible in the domain of computer science. It was previously seen as impossible to compact large amounts of information into less information.

Do you think the blockchain sector is going in the right direction to achieve this?


Well first of all, Satoshi established new cryptographic assumptions to challenge this approach to data with new functions like hashes. Imagine a program that everyone writes, a program that is waiting for its users to tell it what to do. People usually treat blockchain as a core technological evolution that already achieves this, but in reality, these are assumptions that we’re trying to prove with new applications today. 

Some try to approach this in the way of voting with blockchain governance, but this has proven to just change how something will fail. For example, when we vote in elections, we can cast our vote on whether we support something but we cannot ever vote on whether something should be voted on in the first place. How are we going to vote on 1 million proposals of what we should vote on? It is practically impossible. Voting governance in blockchain suffers from the same problem.

How is Tau-Chain tackling this issue?


With Tau, we will express ourselves in machine-comprehensible languages. We explain to the machine what we want and once the machine can understand it, it can create an opinions map regarding any domain of information. This will offer a seamless solution to assessing those 1 million opinions so that we can move beyond a binary YES/NO voting protocol and actually assess ideas more comprehensibly. 

With Tau-Chain, we’re going to achieve the first 1-million person discussion in history.

With Tau-Chain, we’re going to achieve the first 1-million person discussion in history. In small groups and in everyday life, we don’t need to vote at all. To decide on where to go for dinner with friends, we just cast our opinions and don’t hold a formal tally. We just know based on the information presented by everyone and can feel out what the best solution or solutions are in a given situation. Tau-Chain will be able to sort through millions of pieces of data and sort general sentiments, common links between groups and individuals, and be able to scale conversations for the first time. 



To contrast this, on Facebook, we see posts and comments presented by popularity. Imagine you could see the main opinions and link to everyone else that subscribes to that line of thought. We only see simple likes or hearts, not even a straightforward way to disagree. With a clearer blockchain protocol, the machine can tell me right away whether this person agrees, that person does not, etc.

Why pursue such large-scale conversations?


It is a human fact that discussion don’t scale. If you have a discussion with 100 people and suddenly make it 200, it will not necessarily be 2x more effective or impactful. A great deal of the information flow will be wasted, even when the constituents are very educated. We have to resort to hierarchical ways of dealing with information and very simplified tools like surveys that don’t necessarily account for nuanced thought and delivery. 

I’ve always been dedicated to the issue of bringing the right minds to a problem. The most logical solution to any given problem is to bring the highest number of experts together to figure things out. The scalability issue of discussions is the only roadblock that prevents this.

With 1 million people, we will likely not have 1 million distinct opinions. The machine will be able to say who said what and connect the right ideas together, better utilizing the combined energies of so many participants.



So with Tau-Chain as the information backbone, what usability are you building onchain?


‘Agoras’ is the knowledge economy that will be built on Tau-Chain that will allow a 1-million person conversation to be more than 10,000x effective as a 100-person one. We’re using that logic to pursue three primary capacities - 

1- A Real Knowledge Market

Knowledge today is monetized only in indirect ways with services and centralized databases. You cannot sell information directly. We can create machine-driven decentralized markets where information is directly monetized and if someone or some entity needs specific information, participants can help contribute to forming the most suitable knowledge. 

2- Computational Resources

Right now, most of our computers do nothing most of the time. Many entities need great deals of computational power at higher magnitudes and even corporations like Facebook and Google have a relatively small number of computers in their network. Most supercomputers have less computing power than 10,000 household GPUs, meaning that we could harness much more computation if it was organized the right way.

This is another clear example of how decentralized systems could help money flow to the masses, not simply enrich the rich. As computational resources are better connect to service companies and institutions with high processing needs, contributors could monetize their latent energy and time.

3. Advanced Currency

This is core value of Bitcoin, offering risk-free interest without creating new money. It is the first time we can create and own a completely deflationary currency with its value coming from the hedging needs of the players. No more interest based on inflation. Everything will be owned by the community and all players will be able to leverage their competitive advantages to heighten the value of the currency. 



Are there any particular use cases that you're looking forward to? Who will be able to leverage this best?


I believe any large company with a high input of data will be able to use this to better their information flow. Every company needs answers and especially so if those answers are personally tied to clients and users.

Do you think Tau-Chain will change the nature of conversations? Will we communicate differently?


Conversations are not just about organizing information, but being able to navigate that it and discover persepectives, angles, etc. I think this will help conversations become much more nuanced rather than binary. We'll also be able to ask decentralized databases specific questions and be able to extract diverse understandings of conversations. I hope this will all help conversations move away from linear and small-scale activities into massive and impactful reservoirs of information.

If readers are interested in diving deeper into Tau, where should they look?


You can follow the [blog section] of the Tau website for more foundational writing on the structure of the blockchain and the intended impact.


Thank you Ohad Asor for speaking with us about Tau-Chain and Agoras. For those interested in learning more, make sure to explore the links below!

Website: http://www.idni.org/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/tauchainorg
Telegram: https://t.me/tauchain



Posted from my blog with SteemPress : https://thecreativecrypto.com/the-first-million-person-conversation-interview-ohad-asor-of-tau-chain/
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This is truly a cutting-edge project. All the time I've spent learning about his project all year long has been very fulfilling! There's also a TML playground to check out recently: https://github.com/IDNI/tml_playground / https://tml.klapka.cz/.

Edit: dear readers, please re-read the updated interview here (this post ain't updated): https://thecreativecrypto.com/the-first-million-person-conversation-interview-ohad-asor-of-tau-chain/

it looks like logic programming to me, any more in depth explanation on TML? kinda interesting project to be explore.

Yea it is, can check out the blog http://www.idni.org/blog/, and https://github.com/IDNI/tau. For starters can read up on descriptive complexity, finite model theory, the halting problem, etc. Anyway, the blog posts are good imo and pretty much indicates the range of topics required to dig into it.

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Interesting read.

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