@berniesanders just flagged my post! Is there anything I can do?
I finally had what I considered to be a successful post today. Votes from @dantheman and @jamesc had me pumped! Just now I noticed the value went down by half! I quickly realized I had been the latest victim of @berniesanders random downvote trolling.
$20 actually means something to me, but more than that, this kind of behavior is bad for Steemit and I cannot see any reason to flag my post. At least give me a reason @berniesanders!
I don't see what the issue is.
Its his vote, he can cast it however he likes.
Obviously i can only speculate on his reasons, but if i had to venture a guess, it would be that your post simply rehashes all the information we've been hearing about pizzagate ad-nauseam for a month.
Its basically a pizza-gate recap post. And there have been like 9,468,312 of them already. I dont really care as I avoid the entire topic, but i can see how someone might think it was done to death.
It wasn't a vote, it was a flag.
Steemit's guidelines for flagging:
It's not intended to be a down-vote or a disagreement tool, rather a way to discredit dishonest actors and to punish hateful behavior.
No, it was a vote. The flag icon, as well as calling it a flag and that insipid description are completely made up by the UI.
this is how i would flag this post in the cli
vote sigmajin richardcrill berniesanders-just-flagged-my-post-is-there-anything-i-can-do -100 true
this is how i would upvote it
vote sigmajin richardcrill berniesanders-just-flagged-my-post-is-there-anything-i-can-do 100 true
Now if you want to follow a bunch of made up rules, thats your perogative. But the whales do not. So what youre really supporting is a double standard. 1 set of completely arbitrary rules for most users and a completely different set of rules for the whales.
what happens on the blockchain is what matters, and the UI misrepresenting reality in this respect is counterproductive
I think people find little to no resistance in accepting the condition that higher SP accounts have greater voting power. It's both logical and fair that people with more at stake have more to gain from using the platform. Indeed, they should earn more from curation rewards and they deserve more say in how Steem is distributed.
However, when it comes to people losing money over votes (flag, down-vote, or whatever you prefer to call it), while it may still appeal to the aforementioned logic, I'm not so sure that it's seen as fair. The platform is set up to treat the up-vote and down-vote at 1:1 weight, but human psychology doesn't treat the monetary effect of those two sides of the scale at 1:1, probably something closer to 1:10, or maybe even 1:100.
To make my perspective a bit clearer: I'm convinced most users here agree that getting "majority vote" in terms of up-votes (on the scale of 10 to 1, or more) and STILL ending up with no payout and a negative reputation hit, due to a single high-SP account down-vote...well, it's a bit of a turn-off, to put it one way.
If we're after appealing to the masses and retaining them, then this topic of setting up the scales to fit our psychological (or, perhaps more accurately, "societal-imposed") model of "fairness" is of utmost importance.
Again, 100 upvotes to 2 downvotes resulting in negative reputation - that's a difficult one to sell as fair, even for the greatest of liars...er, I mean lawyers.
Now, if we were to set up the down-vote to remove the equivalent of the average weight of all prior votes, or average weight of votes within X amount of time...THAT might be a bit fairer. Now, you can't suddenly lose all the monetary gains of 30 - 40 upvotes to a single, disgruntled whale.
Hell, we can even allow for whales to have the equivalent of three or four times the average weight of upvotes in their downvotes. That might even pass off as fair, as, like I alluded to earlier, people can accept perks to high SP, TO AN EXTENT.
I admit, "fairness" is a subjective term. But there's a point at which the far majority agrees that something is or isn't fair and I fear that the pendulum has swung a tad too far into the unfair end in this current model.
Currently, my feeling is that the devs of Steemit intended to make it a bit of an "unwritten rule" that people not "disrespect" others by acting as if all will be okay by treating the up/down vote at 1:1; hence, providing the flag option along with GUIDELINES vs. PUNISHABLE LAWS (for abusing the rules), aiming at getting users to only use that option lightly and with extreme regard for the message that might be received on the other end of that action.
I think that experiment failed. Now it's time to scale down the weight of the down-vote, with respect to up-votes.
Remember, this is about appealing to mass acceptance. We're trying to reach consensus on what is fair, IF we're after mass adoption and user retention. If our sole concern is competing for monetary gains - a very short-sided outlook - well, then kiss your dreams of Steemit being a formidable rival to Reddit/ Facebook/ Twitter/ etc. goodbye, cuz the pure-greed approach will run this into the ground, IMO.
Exactly! Thank you!
See, the whole problem here is that you think what jamesbrown said was true, but it isnt. Its a vote. Nothing more or less. Steem rewards are based on a consensus algorithm and bernie didnt consent. So you got less rewards.
Ned, DTM, smooth, and all of the whales do and have done exactly what bernie did -- downvote material that they feel is overvalued, overexposed, or potentially harmful to the platform.
The problem is that you look at it, and you see the UI's ill-thought-out, poorly designed interpretation of it as a big red flag, and you think youre being attacked. Youre not.
The myth that a downvote is anything but a vote is one of the most harmful steem misconceptions out there. it creates a culture of negativity and is a large cpontributing factor in the huge reward disparity.
He just gave his reason. I avoided it too until I finally heard enough that I decided to check it out and was very surprised.
I'd find his reasoning a lot more objectionable if there were already not such a deluge of pizzagate stuff.
To me "pizzagate is stupid" is a bad reason. "Pizzagate is stupid and weve already heard about it" is an OK reason. Especially when the post in question had significant payout even after the flag.
Also, more than a few of these pizzagate types generally act like shitheads.
I literally got called a child molester by one of them in this thread and lifeworship below is talking about finding out where people live.
I don't think having a post at the top of trending (potentially) to whip these guys into a frenzy is necesarily a good thing.
if you read closely, i threatened no one. i only stated facts, except for the one ad hominem. i've been called worse here, and no one ran to my defense.
"he'd better hide" is an unambiguous threat. A statement of fact can also be a threat. "i know where you live and i own a firearm" is a threat. If you say that to someone, they can definitely get a TPO against you at least, maybe stalking or harassment charges.
You 100% intended to convey a very specific meaning. That you could find out where users live and take action against them.
did you just threaten me with a firearm? that is way worse than anything i ever said. no threats here, only seeking justice. i didn't know there would be so many people trying to stop justice, because they are tired of hearing about a subject. pretty petty reason to protect pedophiles, if you ask me.
my statement was only to say that if someone is working to hide pedophiles guilt, i will do everything in my power to see them prosecuted when the arrests begin.
i 100% want to see people who are obstructing justice prosecuted.
if you don't like ongoing, open source investigations, you have a mute button, use it.
I wrote what I wrote because I believe it. I had barely checked out the articles I had seen on steemit. because I wasn't really buying it until today. The stuff I saw today convinced me so I wanted to show some stuff that I hadn't seen on steemit. It's probably already been posted before, but I hadn't seen it on here myself and I thought it was valuable info. I was really surprised how well it had done, but then i was just as surprised to see what @berniesanders did.
Be careful .. Keep the ego in check. I'm sure your going to survive this just fine. lol. Maybe we will get some good feedback. Listen and learn. Your lucky if you get some feedback, it can only help..
Excellent advice. I will take it. Thanks man
You were right on! Looks like we got a lot of feedback!
Pizza gate is real, however reporting on this issue and coupling it with aliens linked in one of the videos, illuminati theories, (there have always been groups who think the are illuminated), distracts from a world wide problem. White slavery is rampant and children are part of an extremely lucrative sex trade. Child sex abuse happens not only in our communities, the behavior cuts across social and economic lines, common sense spells it out ...come on' think! Plus it's used to blackmail people just like other behaviors that are illegal.
The church I went to as a child the pastor was caught molesting his own daughters. I had several older men try and molest me. One of them an elder in our church had one of my friends ask me over to her house, he was waiting for me in her bedroom and asked me to sit on his lap, I was 12 or 13 years old...I got out but not befor I sat on his lap and he started rubbing my tummy, he was acting just like my step father...(I never told anyone until I was adult) ive heard hundreds of stories just like mine working survivor groups.
False memory syndrome came out of this disturbing case.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/innocence/etc/other.html
Get the hard facts and no need for the fantastical speculation raging through our social media sites.
Just cite the facts... It's not hard to see that a government that kills millions of children in wars for natural resources and cheap labor will also buy and sell children for sex and blackmail.
http://www.nytimes.com/topic/person/marc-dutroux (the Belgium government got really weird on this case)
Child pornographers may be teachers, lawyers, doctors, law enforcement officers, members of the clergy, laborers — in sum, child pornographers are from all walks of life. (Det. Toby Tyler, in a prepared statement before the United States Senate Committee on Governmental Affairs, Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, Nov. 28, 1984.)
http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume7/j7_4_2.htm
Temple of Set
The Temple of Set, ToS (http://www.xeper.org/pub/tos/), was founded in 1975 by Michael Aquino, a former High Priest of the Church of Satan. The same year, it was recognized as a non-profit church and subsequently received exemption from federal and state taxes. This is a highly sophisticated, intellectual religion, whose philosophy is focused on the acquisition of self-knowledge and power through magic, responsibility, and will. Michael Aquino, still the head of the Temple of Set, is a former Lieutenant in an Army intelligence unit that specialized in psychological warfare. His secular vitae, which is available on the Temple of Set web site, lists among his accomplishments a Ph.D. in Political Science with a dissertation entitled "The Neutron Bomb," many distinguished service awards, military decorations including the Bronze Star, Meritorious Service Medal, Air Medal, and Vietnam service medal for three campaigns, and training in special forces and military intelligence. Aquino joined the Church of Satan in 1969 while he was in the army, became a priest in the church in 1970, and was promoted to the level of Magister IV, the highest ranking below High Priest, held by Anton LaVey. In 1975, philosophical differences, as well as the feeling that LaVey was using the Church for his own personal gain, led Aquino to leave the Church of Satan, along with a number of others, to found the Temple of Set.
http://www.anthropoetics.ucla.edu/ap0702/skandalon.htm
OF Susan, a parent who suspects that her child has been sexually abused, ''Unspeakable Acts'' tells us: ''Susan said she couldn't rest until she knew the truth. She wouldn't rest afterward, either.'' Readers of Jan Hollingsworth's account of a widely publicized Florida child-abuse case may feel the same. In its lurid details, its frustrating complexity and in the agony of the children and families who were victimized, this case would seem to be the paradigm of incidents in Minnesota, California and elsewhere that have surfaced in recent years. A startling difference, though, is the outcome: the molester was convicted and sentenced to life in prison.
http://www.nytimes.com/1986/12/14/books/nightmare-in-country-walk.html
Danish police have so far extracted 56,594 images of child pornography and 3,174 video sequences from the man's computers and hard drives, but the total volume could be much greater.
As well as operating the DanBB site, the man was also an administrator of The Love Zone, a global paedophile network run by Australian Shannon McCoole, which was used by more than 1,000 paedophiles around the world.
http://www.thelocal.dk/20161021/danish-man-ran-scandinavian-only-paedo-ring
Sandusky http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/sports/ncaafootball/joe-paterno-jerry-sandusky-sex-abuse-penn-state-1976-court-documents.html?_r=0
this is excellent work. you might consider making this a post, so more people can see.
i can understand that people would become fatigued from hearing about this, but the facts that are provable are legion. the investigations must continue.
It would probably get flagged.
My first flag by whales, I will have made it on Steemit ...I seriously love whales though ...
lol
could be. it wouldn't be that painful though.
this is almost a mob, though, right? no pitchforks yet.
it only takes a few flaggers to ruin it for everyone.
thought it might make a good christmas present for some of those kids, that's all.
cheers.
What's alarming, is no one gets tired of corporate garbage of mass distractions full of violence coupled with sex....I didn't get a headache, ( I used too because of my physical, mental and sexual abuse as a child) writing this and I will seriously think about writing a series on the white slavery, porn, and drugs that are almost as profitable as selling wars and everything that goes with it.. Banks are heavily involved. I also want to write about allopathic medicine and their business making profit off of disease and death. Happiness, healthy people/communities, family, peace are not (as) profitable.
sounds ambitious. more power to you.
it's unfortunate that humanity has not found as many ways to make health and happiness profitable. can you imagine a world where not hurting or killing people was incentivized, and could find a fan base? it's crazy to me that success is still measured in stacks of money and stacks of bodies.
Just dropping this here...
The seriousness of the charge mandates that we investigate this." "Even though there is no evidence," he said, "the seriousness of the charge is what matters."
Note the part about no evidence
I don't think it's fair to say "no evidence".
One of the definitions of "evidence" is (from http://www.dictionary.com/browse/evidence):
something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign:
Example: His flushed look was visible evidence of his fever.
What indications or signs are there in this case (within the emails, in Pizzagate)? Well, I wouldn't call all of the pictures found on that guy, Alefantis', Instagram "normal", by any means, to seriously understate it. Could certainly be a sign of something (off), in itself.
That being said, there aren't really any substantiative facts, of the "jail-able variety", tied to Pizzagate, at least, as far as I know, which is admittedly very little. So, in light of these two observations, I think it's more accurate to refer to this whole case as having "weak" (as opposed to "no") evidence.
well said @jamesbrown
I remain skeptical of "pizzagate" but flagging it seems petty.
Exactly my sentiment. Flagging, in general, seems petty to me, UNLESS you follow the guidelines for flagging put forth by Steemit, that is (that usage I agree with).
again. I couldn't agree more. Thanks for your level headed assesment!
One of my best arguments for directing new users to participate on this platform is the security that is offered via the blockchain. That allows content that is heavily censored on other social media sites to be allowed and discussed here in an open community based model.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions based on their chosen belief systems - yet if a handful of influential users get to pick & choose what is allowed to be discussed here based on their reality tunnels - then in my opinion - this site will be no different than any of its competitors - and I need to adjust my presentation to perspective new users should I chose to continue to participate here.
this is not the reaction i expected from your post. pedo enablers are just pouring out of the woodwork. i'm sure some are just in denial, but i'm amazed by the hatred shown here, for the simple desire to investigate. these are the children of humanity at stake, after all. human trafficking is known for a documented fact to be the most profitable, illegal, international trade. how can anyone deny it? whether or not there is pizza or pingpong, the fact of human trafficking is evincible, undeniable, and verifiable. it is unbelievable that anyone would be thwarted in their attempts to address it.
i could theorize about why the rich and powerful cover for pedophiles, but not having evidence, i'll say maybe the video sources weren't clear enough. just guessing. i thought it was a solid post. i upvoted it, and would do so again. good luck. i know how it feels to have whales dislike me for telling the truth.
Thanks! I figure youtube videos source themselves, but I still mention the names of the authors to be safe. I don't think that was his motivation.
Has @berniesanders ever identified himself for all we know it could be Mark Zuckerberg himself trolling steemit.
Haha, no he hasn't. If he did, he would not behave the way he is. He is too scared to reveal his identity. He's probably an angry virgin living in his parents basement with nothing better to do than troll steemit.
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