RE: Debunking a Woman's Right to Choose in Four Words
I would say men are stupid... they believe the woman when she says, "I am on the pill"... and then they believe her when she says, "whoops, i guess the pill wasn't working and i got preggers." This is a very common story, and it is always a situation where the woman wants to get married, but the guy isn't going for it.
The stories are so legion that i believe it defines the rule and not the exception.
Add to that: 1 in 4 children are not the stated father's. This comes from a blood technician in a hospital. That is 1 in 4 based solely on blood types of the parents.
So, to men, i say, you are being stupid. You are being played.
But, i lay the deception at the feet of the women.
Now, about "pro-choice". Women will, and have, do anything and everything if they do not want the child. Over the years, all kinds of chemicals and toxins have been used.
A well outside a nunnery... they cleaned it out and found tons of infant skeletons.
Given that not allowing legal abortion only ends up with illegal abortions, then it is stupid to deny legal abortions. The women are in charge of their body, and they will do as they please. With or without consent.
And, although i feel it is bad for the woman, the child (the soul) and humanity to have abortions, i can only express my disdain for the practice. Women have to be allowed to make that choice on their own
There is still a lot I can't agree with in here but I will concede that you have brought me to the realisation that I am both pro-choice and antiabortion.
I have felt like there should be no law, and that is because I think no one should be told what they can and cannot do. I just hadn't put my own beliefs together properly in regards to the context of this topic.
So I thank you for the clarity you have given me. Yes we should be able to choose. But that choice should always be to save a life where possible, not to extinguish it because we are afraid of the responsibility.
That is basically where i stand.
(i am probably just a lot more cynical when i hear "oops")
So, your main problem is that women can use this as a leverage to get what they want from men, and then do what they want. It is about the imbalance of legal power which befalls men and helps women. Is that correct?
Not quite, but those are ramifications of it.
Women are, by nature, emotionally manipulative. It is the way they think, it is what they do.
So, i am pointing out that the actual reason that women demand abortion rights (and that everyone should stay out of it) is because they are using abortions to get out of the emotional manipulation gone wrong.
And, that if we do not address this large reason, calling a spade a spade, then we can't ever work out the discussion over abortion.
While it is true that women are inherently more manipulative in nature, the point is that a castle being attacked doesn't ask the attacker to stop. Neither does it appeal to a higher power to keep the enemy at bay.
Your defence is in your own hands. Being, a martial artist, that's the first thing which I learned in life. If you want to remain safe, it's your job to prepare for safety and ensure it. If a guy is that concerned about whether his woman is going to use emotional manipulation on him through pregnancy, he should just use a condom. That's what they're meant to do. Furthermore, if a person can't trust their sex with another person, then what meaning is there to their relationship. If I was in his shoes, I'd get the fuck out of there.
In fact, that is exactly what I did. An ex of mine told me that she was pregnant after we had sex. I insisted on getting her medically examined and when I found out that she was lying, I confronted her. She told me that she wanted me to be closer to her. I did not like the manipulation one bit, and that is where I ended it.
But the fact is, that also taught me something about women. I now realise it after living with another woman for the past two years, that if a woman is comfortable around you, she won't have to find the need to manipulate you or lie to you. She'd say everything without feeling like she's risking something. That's something which most men and women need to learn and understand. Apart from that, if a guy is with someone who is just exploiting him, it is bound to surface sooner or later. That's when he should take the cue and move on.
Curbing the right to abortion would make it punishing for the women you talk about. But, at the same time, it doesn't really help solve anything. The issues behind these problems will still continue to exist, and soon, there will be another way to exploit the loopholes in the law.
Yep, this is why i say, "i have to be pro choice." Because women will find a way, no matter what. So, give them the right and give them the responsibility.
I agree, that if a women gets preggers to manipulate a man, that relationship is doomed. Run away. Run silent. Run deep.