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in #philosophy7 years ago (edited)

I always find it interesting listening to people I know very well speak about themselves to people that do not know them very well. There is often so much embellishment that the portrayal they give is so far removed from reality that there is almost no semblance left of the original story.

The next thing I find interesting is how they must come to terms with this gap between what they know and what they say to others. Some people are very, very good at ignoring the gap.

I wonder how it feels to say something about oneself that is far from the truth. Does it feel good when they believe or does it feel bad to know that the reality of who one is and what one says they are is very different?

We have all likely padded our resume or made our job sound a little more exciting on a first date and we have been able to justify our words due to the context involved. We have been able to say things like it is expected to some degree, once I get the job I know I can learn, others do it, it is only a first date, nothing serious.

But is it serious when the lies get bigger and bigger and one's sales pitch is so divorced from reality one cannot even recognise themselves in the story? Perhaps this is just the new normal.

Social media is one place where it is likely that most people only post content that shows themselves in the best light. Each image is curated and filtered, each highlight broadcast and low events used to claim sympathy. It is an unreal reality. Like the scripted and edited 'reality' shows from TV. Online life becomes a cherry-picked persona.

This is of course natural as one must pick and choose what gets put on social platforms for a range of reasons. Friends will see it, employers may see it and most importantly, the poster will see it. It feels better to focus on the fun parts than the difficult.

But, this view can very quickly bleed into the walking world and color words and actions there. Perhaps it is to maintain a consistent narrative across all areas so that the view can be managed more easily or is harder to be brought into question. Perhaps it is that one wants to 'live up to' the online persona rather than the real life person.

But, to do this one must be either narcissistic enough to not care or recognize the difference between the two or, be living in a constant state of fear of being 'caught out' for one of the lies. For those that recognise the difference, they must justify it well enough to continue the charade, perhaps for long enough until they start to believe it.

I have a member of my family like this. They can make up incredible stories to someone while I stand there and listen. They know full-well I know the lie yet, they are confident enough that I won't expose them. They are confident I think because they are family and I haven't in the past.

What is interesting with this person is however, they do not have any long-term friends as once the promises they make are discovered as impotent, all of the past stories come into question and many holes are exposed when timelines are matched up across stories. This means, the friends move on and the next target takes their place.

They are successful in what they do and have been able to talk their way into many relationships that have made them money and cost others. It is some kind of con. For this person, money and status are very important and outweigh any value in friendship. Once someone can not bring value, they are cut away as useless.

Perhaps this is the justification, their value on material wealth outweighs that of the relationships and therefore they can warrant treating people poorly as long as they get wealthier. These kinds of people are often viewed in society as leeches who suck value from others, cultural vampires.

Where might it lead for them though, can they maintain the internal lie also or are they actually being slowly torn apart? The member of my family is actually quite a bitter person and quite cruel in their humor but believe themselves to be witty. I think this is leakage as the internal disappointment at their own conflicts bleeds out and colors their words and actions.

I have noticed that the 'friends' are getting continually more material good based than personality. Take away the shared hobby interests, and they would not associate with each other at all. Where does this lead in the long-run when there is no one to speak to that actually knows them?

I think this is a difficult future position as no matter how much money one has friends are actually difficult to buy. Sure, there will be lots of other leeches crowding around, but actual friends will not be there. I think quite quickly, this would become quite a lonely experience.

Everyone has their own life to live of course and I am not here to pass judgement but, thinking about how others lead their lives helps me think about how I lead my own. Observing the lies of someone I know well and watching people lap it up reminds me of all of the times they have lied to me and all the times it has cost me in various ways.

At what point does one turn away from family?

Taraz
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Very good post sir,

As someone growing up in a family of low functioning sociopaths, (and possibly one psychopath), there are definitely different categories of 'liars'..

For those like my family - there is no remorse, or moral trauma. The only fear is being caught out. It's just purely a function to achieve a goal.

Then there are liars who lie from a motivation of fear. A fear of not appearing confident, as successful, mostly in peer or familial settings.

Which is completely different from the first category.

I turned away form my family as soon as I could (with one exception).

If you aren't in category one yourself, and surrounded by 'them', they will destroy you, sooner or later.

I am a compulsive truth teller - which brings it's own problems.- and especially in my family surroundings. Lamb to the slaughter, believe me.

Bizarrely though - I have had a pretty crazy life (look at my blog, its all true!)

The amount of times I have been looked at like I am a compulsive liar is quite astonishing- when talking about my experiences.

I presume that is due to the people accusing me of such, are liars themselves, and in shock that anyone could come up with such audacious lies... ?
( maybe they are jealous of the audacity, I dunno.)

I would say I have an NPD sufferer in my family which looks a little psychopathic in some ways. It is interesting how toxic an environment can become when there is even one around, let alone a few.

"We have all likely padded our resume or made our job sound a little more exciting on a first date and we have been able to justify our words due to the context involved. We have been able to say things like it is expected to some degree, once I get the job I know I can learn, others do it, it is only a first date, nothing serious.

But is it serious when the lies get bigger and bigger and one's sales pitch is so divorced from reality one cannot even recognise themselves in the story? Perhaps this is just the new normal."

Nice play on words.

Honesty is an abstract principle today indeed.

It's like first date. We make ourselves look great to create a good first impression.

Then when the relationship forms and gets complacent, things start to fade. All the crap happens.

In that sense, we've been cheating since the start.

Yes, I agree with you. I wrote a post a long time ago about starting that starting from an authentic position will most likely lead to better relationships in the long-run as both people can 'know' what to expect going in. It seems counter-intuitive to most though as most have been taught an 'at any cost' mentality.

I guess for some, that first date is an outright charade. Complete lies and deception.

I spruce myself up for a good first date too, but everything I say is honest. Some just lie and act differently altogether. That's the line being crossed.

Hmm, i dont know. I mean, I totally get where you all are coming from, padding the resume and all. The thing is, it's totally natural. I mean if I'm on a first date and you aren't trying to impress me then it's definitely not going to work out.
First impressions are not the way you get to know someone. They werent even designed to be that way. Its like looking at the Mona Lisa... You are all like... Great pic. Later you find out a lot of it has to do with the golden ratio and what not.
I think a first date where someone told the whole truth would be a terrible first date. When someone stretches the truth, you are getting a glimpse into their dreams and their priorities in a way that you can ONLY view then and there. You will never get that glimpse again.
If you are taking everything people say to heart, then you really ought not to be on first dates. You ought not to be out of the house. Thats a very dangerous thing to do.
Now, some people do cross this very nebulous line, of course, but I think a lot of what happens is harmless if not downright healthy.
As for when do you turn away from family? I suggest never. Dont be a fool and dont let them hurt you. Never that. But as surely as you think that every time you hang out, you just hate that they do whatever they do... They are thinking something very similar about you. How many times should you forguve your brother? As many times as you possibly can. :).

Just my two cents.

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