Monkey See, Monkey Do

in #psychology7 years ago (edited)



I am not good with kids. I don't think I will ever be. Part of the reason is that I don't treat them like most people treat kids. I treat them like tiny adult versions. I am not really good with rhetorics and exaggerations to make a point across their minds. I expect too much from them and they come short.

At some point I started questioning the practices upon which people raise their children. Although I don't have a say, I believe I can chose how to interact with them. Most parents don't treat their children with respect. They treat them like they are morons. The don't treat them like living human beings that can structure serious ideas and solve complicated problems. They treat them like severely debilitated elderly that just suffered a stroke.


Contrary to common belief, children are smart, far smarter than we like to believe. One extra ability that they particularly shine is copying human action and behavior. Most parents believe that children should listen to their advice and so they focus on words, paying little to no attention to actions. They forget though that language is only a poor and vague modern invention and than humans mostly connect with their bodies.


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A child almost always will never listen to you. They will always copy your actions. This is how every single mammal on the face of this earth operates. We are not any different. If they see you smoke, they will smoke even if you tell them is bad. Heck, even if you punish them. If they see you yell or be violent, they will do the same. A child is an excellent copy-pasta machine. It process everything the same way. Words mean almost nothing to them.




Part of the reason we see so many abused children growing up and doing the same exact thing to others is because they learned that particular violent action from a very young age. Whether it was positive or negative, it got imprinted onto them and so it molded into their own identity.

This also should make us think how people treat each other on a day to day basis. We are all more or less a trail of an abusive and deceptive clusterfuck. We smile when we want something and punish when we lose our temper — even if we love dearly those whom turn against. We replicate our most vivid childhood experiences into a mind numbing emotional paradox. No wonder most people are popping pills like M&M's.




When we speak to children like they have an I.Q of a potato chip, lying to them, exaggerating, changing our voice into a musical of mind numbing theatrics — they do understand and process our motives. They observe the difference of speech among adults and upon situations and they will grow up to do the same.

This is how most humans fall into this behavioral vicious cycle. Our actions shape them in ways we cannot even fathom. The question is: Can we escape from the mental shackles that have been imprinted on to us?







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But,But. Home schooling is so popular today.

I'm a bit confused, are you suggesting that is a problem? Could you expand on that? It sounds interesting.

Home schooling is great idea, but you need to ask you self one thing. Try to observe for one week all young parents with small children when you visit shopping mall, parking lot, fast food restaurant,etc. How many do you think are capable for homeschooling their kids? In my opinion 90 % of those parents would need some education themselves first. Or maybe I'm live in wrong place.

I completely agree. 10% may be generous! It's tough to be an unbiased teacher of your own progeny.

It's really tough job, but reward can be huge if you do the job proper way. Again, when you see so much criminal, drug abuse, violence, divorce you can fell that something is wrong with society. And all start with children.

Even state schooling, I don't think they use any different tactics

I actually don't know which one is worse.

hahaha. much like voting huh?

Red pill-blue pill? Please, pick one!

both, always mix your drugs irresponsibly

_<

Hey @oldtimer and @lexiconical! My wife and I moved overseas about 12 years ago. The city where we lived did not have a viable education option for our kids, so my wife starting homeschooling.

She was freaked out at first, but now she loves it. We just recently moved back to the United States, and we have decided to continue to home school our children.

I think a fatal fail in our society is we assume that "schooling" (the acquiring/learning of knowledge) only happens during tradition school hours. So as parents we can send our children off to be educated and once they come back, then we are off the hook. Now I don't know of many people who would actually say that, but I do know a lot of people who act that way.

We have always homeschooled even before my wife started officially homeschooling my first daughter at age 5. We started homeschooling the day our first daughter was born.

We have always been responsible for teaching acceptable social patterns, respecting adults, caring for the less fortunate, thinking about saving versus spending everything, and the list goes on.

Now I frequently mess up, and I often mess up big time! And that is when I have to teach them one of the most difficult lessons - I have to teach them how to ask for forgiveness by asking for forgiveness from them. That is tough!

Homeschooling is not just how our children are taught reading, math, science, and social studies. Homeschooling is how we teach our children LIFE, every moment of everyday. No time off! No vacations! But you know what? It is the best JOB in the world.

Treat children as equals, not morons

You're very right with that. I mean, you don't have to change your voice and talk to them like they are a true idiot. All they need is interaction, a voice to listen to and they will love you for the end of time. They may be naive and a blank slate, but they are not morons.

Don't give them multiple choices tough!

Something I truly distaste is when parents go out with their young ones and they put them on the counter of a fast food restaurant and ask them, - "What did you want today? Was it carrots or maybe a pie? Fries or sallad? Large or small milk?" And they instantly goes in to chock and starts crying.

THEY SHOULD KNOW WHAT THEY WANT, THEY ARE THEIR PARENTS!

And the parents goes just stale and wonders why they cry all the time.

Young ones are in need of guidance, not gibberish
Young ones are blanks slates and look up to whatever they see

My 3 year old very much enjoys making decisions, and doesn't freak out about it. Too many options can be overwhelming, so I always limit it to 3 choices.

If he likes it and can handle the decisions, that's really great :)
But I've so many times seen parents that just know nothing about their young ones and then they just start ramping out questions like they are the ones in charge.

I've made a big deal out of giving my children freedom without completely letting them do anything they want. I'm certainly still the boss, and they have to do things they don't want, but I'm trying to teach them how to be people.

Sounds like you are doing this just right and that your kids will grow up to be responsible and respectable people :)

That's the hope 😉 I didn't learn many good lessons as a child, but I definitely learned how NOT to treat kids.

Nor will my children be those you hear screaming and throwing a fit in the store ir restaurant. I will shut that shit down quick, fast, and in a hurry...

I think decision making is an important part of childhood, but I totally agree some people overwhelm their child with too many options. I find it's best to ask if they want either "Option A" or Option B", giving them the opportunity to choose while not feeling overwhelmed by too many decisions. You are so right that many people treat their children like they have a much lower intellect than they do; offering the chance to make small decisions engages a child and gives them a small sense of control and allows them a chance to exercise their decision making skills. I know adults who can never decide what they want, and I feel that's a result of either: A, never being able to make decisions for themselves, or B, they were overwhelmed with the decisions they were asked to make.

Great post!

Great comment. Couldn't agree more.

I teach algebra and physics... Never multiple choice. Teachers are way too easy these days to save time and make it easier for them to pass. If they don't know it there's no point. @hansenator

kids don't need to be taught how to get along with kids.
they should be taught how to get along with adults.
they won't be kids very long.
they'll be adults for the rest of their lives.

Indeed.

I don't agree that because you treat them like tiny adults, you're not good with kids.

You might not like having to deal with kids in today's society, because they've been raised by jackals.

We have 2 well adjusted kids who do well in their public schools, in spite of them being in public schools, and we've always treated them like we would treat adults.

The problem is that most adults behave like they're still little kids.

They treat parenthood like buying a new car or a new smartphone.

It's not, it's a long term commitment and responsibility.

Selfish, lazy, ignorant parents raise selfish lazy, ignorant kids.

Recognizing that there are aspects to your behavior that could be better is the first step in changing.

The problem is that most adults behave like they're still little kids.

You hit the nail on the head. Excellent response.

Excellent posts stimulate excellent responses.

Everyone thought we had three brilliant, kind, obedient kids.

No. We just didn't talk to them like the were idiots. We treated them like they were capable. Capable of Learning. Capable of making decisions even at a very young age. "Dear are you throwing a tantrum?" If the answer was yes, she had to go rest on her bed. If it was no, she could go play. Capable of doing things because it was just time to do them.

Side note: We still never ever asked them if they wanted to do something they had to do. Do you want to go to bed? How foolish is that! Set you both up for failure.

We required them to treat us and each other with dignity and respect. Fighting was automatic nap time. Name calling just simply did NOT happen. Period.

AND OMG we could not wait for them to talk. No pacifiers, No walking around with the bottle. No baby talk. I'm with you every step of the way. We didn't hang on to "baby words." I cannot tell you how many hours I spent teaching them the correct pronunciation of words. Most especially since my second daughter had a speech impediment.

Want to know what doctors thought of communication? "Oh don't worry about it, she'll outgrow it." Excuse me?! I had a generally joyful 3 1/2 yr old, practically throwing her 7yr old sister against the wall because she couldn't get her sister to understand her. They were both sobbing by the time I reached them. Not from any physical pain but because they couldn't communicate. No. This was ending now.

I had to locate a speech therapist on my own. It wasn't super easy. I hope to high heaven that's changed. She was 9mo behind on her speech development, which at that age is like a decade. But she was 6 months ahead on her understanding of language. With just 3 months of therapy, she zoomed to 6 mo ahead of her age group in her expression and 9 mo ahead in her comprehension.

Can baby talk be any less damaging to expression and comprehension than a speech impediment? I'd bet not.

Anyway, No idea why your ideas and homeschooling can't go together ... worked really well with my three kids.

You would make an excellent parent. It's not the kids you have trouble with. It really is the parents. Even back when dinosaurs roamed the earth 40 yrs ago, it was the parents.

My personal pet peeve: Parents that cried, "Ohh my baby is growing up. It's so sad!" WTH!!

I tried to write short. Really :-D And. Yes. I know I'm late to the party.

Thank you for sharing this. I always appreciate big thoughtful comments. Your story is inspiring for other parents

I don't have many memories from my childhood, but I do remember being lied to. I suspect my parents lied to me because they didn't think I could understand the truth, although I remember being capable of understanding it.

Additionally, I remember being treated as if I were far less intelligent than I actually was, perhaps because my speaking skills were lacking. That probably made people think My comprehension was lacking as well.

This post is relatable to me; I've sworn that if I have kids, they will not be talked to like I was.

I think it relates to most of us. Think is, will we do the same to our kids?

I believe you have to put a lot of effort into changing your self when you have a kid. Its so easy to just become a replica of your own parents. I had to dig deep and really decide what kind of values i wanted to embrace. That was hard, since my own upbringing was not great. When i see how my parents never had any conciousness about children and upbringing..no real love. I believe they think they have love, but it really never showed it the way that mattered. They did not prepare me for the world. They did not try to bring the best out of me. They met my concerns with anger. They pushed me into things i did not want ( not encouraging me into things like you should..but pushing me) and honestly i think they never really cared to understand who i am. My dad is the kind of person who needs a lot of confirmation, and wants the light to shine on him, rather on his own kids.

Most of the times parents get caught up into their own whirl and children end up paying for it.

I always believed that having kids is one of the most selfish acts humans can perform. It is literally self worshipping. This is why many parents care about how the kids reflect on them rather than caring for who their kids are.

Sure. But I dont really consider selfishness a bad virtue. Its very natural and self preserving to be selfhis. So I dont understand why one does not want your kids to be the best persons they can be. Right? I love him because i want him to be a better, happier and more content version of me, because i want my genes to move forward and improve. I want him to be able to provide for his kids even better than im able. I wanna put effort into enabeling him, not destroying him to make me look good or to be a copy of me. I want for him to have a better life. Thats what i really never understood with my dad. Why did he keep trying to put me down, disencourage me, make me weak instead of strong. Sure it was probably not intentional. More like mindlesness. Thats "evil" to me.

I didn't say it is a bad virtue. I think it is the best virtue one can have. I am describing something.

Ok :) I misunderstood you. Most people are altruistuc and consider selfishness the worst virtue.

Good example how not to do !
you are in better position now, then your parents was...
=]

I have a three year old son, and another on the way, and I speak to my children pretty much like I would anyone else. I don't hit other people when they do something I don't agree with, so I don't hit my boys either.

My job is to make sure they grow into intelligent adults who aren't complete assholes. My boys are my best friends, and I want to teach and help them just as much as I would anyone else, kinda more because they're MY offspring 😀

Excellent. :D

Kids are HIGHLY impressionable, which makes it very important to note how we as adults act around them. Hmmm much like monkeys. My bad, I'm mesmerized by the chimpanzee with the revolver - so badass!

Indeed they are. I am always fascinated when I see apes do the human thing. reality staring back at us.

Yup it's so unnervingly eerie how similar we are to them. And more often than not, humans do the ape thing ;)

most definitely ;)

I live in a town that is gentrifying from three decade of ghetto. The amount of people I hear daily MF'ing their kids while walking up the block astounds me. I hear it and I want to run out and save those children from their imbecile parent. My first thought is, "there is no hope for that kid" They've been so imprinted by irrational and aggressive tendencies, I wonder if there's hope for those little ones.

But here is the moral imperative. What do we do? Is it morally right to take away someone's else's kids? Aren't their property if they cater for them?

I don't know the answer.

I feel that not enough is expected of kids today and that they will rise to meet the bar set for them. Just Grandma talking! Haha

When I was living in Australia, Aboriginals used to talk to their kids like they talked to everyone else. From a young age children were raising other children and took part in hunting. Our kids remains toddlers until they become teenagers.

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