Evening thoughts on bidbot and badbots
These last days I have recovered a bit of my entusiasm for Steemit. I was in a pretty bleak mood when I wrote this post: Stopit Steemit - and I was actually on the brink of leaving. Arming the people with some free downvotes and making it even harder for the small account to make some Steem didn't sound like the right way to turn things around.
But I guess I was wrong. People talked, the #newsteem slogan caught on and people had actually started downvoting even before the fork. A page like this one directed at the tedious, evertrashy trending page made it possible to concentrate the attacks.
Today I even had a hard time downvoting. Most of the projects were actually OK, it was just people buying promotion the only way they knew of. (Luckily there was still a @fyrstikken selfvoted comment). @Smooth downvoted, but also politely explained to people why... and they took it nicely.
So, what is it that have worked? Is it the social engineering tech solution that makes system developer wet their pants, or is it simply a community coming together in the eleventh hour to save their investment - (both cultural, social and monetary investments)? It is probably a bit of both, but I believe it is mainly a question about community - it did help to arm the local militia though.
Bidbots or Badbots!
A lot of the talk has been about vote selling, peoples right to use the system for private enterprise promotion offers, the inevitable fairness of a free market etc. Take a look on this post by @theycallmedan for example: To Bid Bot Or Not To Bid Bot, That Is The Question. I have looked around at all the arguments and finally I think I have found out what I think is the problem with the vote selling bidbots and their business model.
I'm not against seeling promotion. I will have a Kickstarter with my comic about Phill from GCHQ (Yes, that was promotion), and I would be glad to use some steem on advertising. But, the problem with the bidbots is that they use a system that was not meant to be used that way.
The reward system of Steemit is a method of distributing Steem in a way that will seem fair to Mr. and Mrs. Hamsandwich. When you start using that for promotion you will simply destroy a principle that is fundamental not only to Steemit, but to the whole Steem ecosystem. The reward, the number with an $-sign in front of it, can not both reflect what people find is a reasonable amount of talent and hard work, the white paper guarantied main concept of Steemit: proof of brain, and at the same time reflect how much money you drop in the bot slot.
It starts with a public library. People feel proof of brainy in such a place. Then a burger joint puts in a stall in the main hall. The Library management are progressive people who think it might be OK to let the burger entrepreneurs stay, I mean...who wouldn't like a BigMac after having lend Der Mann ohne Eigenschaften by Robert Musil?
So the burger joint stays and it evolves into a rather large place. They rent some of the rooms in the library, they do attract a large crowd, but not necessarily readers of books. Slowly the people who came at the library starts complaining, and then they start to leave. Burgers and books are not opposites, but people shouting orders, customers getting into brawls, the smell of synthetic vanilla from the awful milkshake...!
In the end the municipality will have lost a library and worse they lost a lot of readers who also was an asset for the city in many other ways, and they gained something that could be outside of the library, so that people with bags full of Thomas Mann and Hermann Broch can buy their happy meals on their way home.
The problem is that the promotion should be another place on the page. Not here:
And this is actually a design flaw that can be corrected. Good to see the large bidbot owners who are already now changing their business model. Let's have promotion that actually work without trashing the network.
Maybe we really will be better off, after all.
I do like the library/burger analogy. It also points to something I tried to point out years ago, that one of Steem's (then "Steemit") biggest problems was, and would continue to be, a lack of self-definition; of identity. It becomes a really difficult "sell" to the greater public (aka "mass adoption") because the different segments not only don't work well together, sometimes their objectives are actually against each other.
The other point I always tried to make (and which fell on deaf ears) is that bid bots are FINE as long as we have honest labeling. Every other social site on the planet openly labels content that has paid for placement as "Promoted/sponsored post," why don't we?
Could it be that "someone" doesn't want to show the reality that actual "created" content actually has relatively little value? I'm cynical...
I still have hope here... although much of it lies in the effect of "Tribes," and then "Communities" when they finally come online, next year.
Yes, that is a very good point: labelling things that has been promoted! I remember some years ago when adds began being made as real articles here in Denmark. There was a large discussion and as consumer protection laws are pretty strict here, all the newspapers started labelling the content. A quite reasonable thing to do.
Also an interesting point about the value of created content. As an artist I have realised that created content actually is very valuable... problem is that it is the easiest thing to leech on.
I think everybody should join in the downvoting efforts to clean this place of unhealthy practises. Maybe not stick your neck too far out (that's me being yelled at and downvoted by one of the bidbots :) , but join the efforts and maybe write about it. Steem was on a downhill slope and I really think everybody should step up and try to get quality "created" content rewarded while bad content should loose out.
I don't think I have ever seen you talk about STEEM so much ever!
The downvote spree seems to be drying up a little, it didn't take much for them all to catch on did it?
I'm still focusing on @crystalliu who is carrying on regardless of all the changes going on.
As you know I prefer to fantasize about big boobed space hookers, evolutionary dead ends, Scandinavian Gnomes, and electric cars. It just happens to be a time when I feel I have to be part of the greater good. We all have investments to protect haven't we, and a fine community too.
We'll never get rid of abuse, but this new town militia will actually have a good chance of do some cleaning. I'll check Dr. Crystal
Crystal is a pain in the arse and using the only bot left available to him, promobot.
Something is also wrong with this: https://steemit.com/photography/@ospro/sunset-photography-one-photo-photo-no-7 - four upvotes!
Is there a chat where I can check in and get some links to what to downvote? Now that trending is actually healing in a tempo that has surprised me (@nonameslefttouse is in trending!), I'll probably need another link or be able to provide one to others.
You can get lots of ideas from the @steemflagrewards channel on Discord. Do you use that? There's a flags-needed and flags-targets section there.
If I'm out of ideas (doesn't happen much) I go there. @crystalliu takes most of mine up daily.
Of course! I even delegated to them :) I kind of try to avoid Discord and the like but for some passive viewing and link dumping it is perfect. Apart from the blatant votebuying on trending there are lots of little fish accounts that smeel bad. I saw that @whatsup had made a page with such small fish... it was on an alternative profile though...
@dmacs
Thanks!
Thanks!
How is it you call the cleaners! I have this post that qualifies...
Who is Robert Müsli ?
An Austrian man who started his day with coffee and locally produced cereal... he also wrote some books, of which the last one, The Man Without Qualities, made Moby Dick look like a pulp fiction magazine from the local drug store. A very, very hard read that takes at least 1000 whoppers with fries and coke to get through.
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~Smartsteem Curation Team