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RE: The Reports from the Witnesses 2018-05-06
You are correct. Each time a post/comment is edited, it does a new transaction with the new data. By design, all of the old transactions are permanently stored in the blockchain. It is not great from an efficiency perspective, but it was setup that way on purpose. A good example of why this would be useful is if someone posts something 'bad' then tries to cover it up with something 'good'. Anyone who wants to audit that type of thing will be able to on the blockchain.
FYI - the inability to edit posts after 7 days is going to go away sometime in the near future. The same logic will apply though - even if you edit your post after 1 year, someone will be able to go back and see what it was in the past.
i see ... the inability to even censor oneself lol .... pros and cons, personally i think eyes on the future it'd be better to store only one, for simple performance reasons indeed, and its possible for people to make mistakes anyway, seems pretty hardcore if you can flag someone for some drunk mistake from ten years ago ... but mwell
it's not my company after all lol
audit someone huh ... sounds pretty nasty , like "government" nasty
i don't think its bad to stop editing after 7 days though, especially since all originals and versions are stuck already, i should say 'locked'
and also, who defines what's bad and who defines what's good ? a democratic majority or a few chosen duly elected officials ... not a huge fan of that, i think we've seen that before, its like saying "this content is GOOD" because its good for you, but i think the definition of quality, good and bad can be highly personnal, depending on background, character and about a thousand traits, culture none the least of all, so who gets to decide ?
thats worth a serious seminar on morality lol
anyway ah i dont know if i said already but while i was sifting through the whole account history i also found there's an upper limit to "start" when looking for transactions. I understand the 10.000 limit to the number downloaded at once, network performance among others but the ceiling (i didnt try to find out since its probably way above my account level) , do you by any chance know if that's the absolute ceiling (eg. max number of possible tx per account EVER) or is this just a limit on the capability of the api where you can't query above number x (i dont know its several over 100billion so it'l take a while to get there) because if theres an upper limit it might mean some bot could break the system by some flaw no one ever saw , so if thats the case simulations would need to be run to make sure just in case ....
is what i was wondering ... i wonder a lot lately, which is good b/c i think my brain was starting to rot :p
I'm not 100% sure about what you are asking, but if you are referring to the limited history that shows up for the transaction history on steemit.com - that is something they plan to address. It should be possible to check the full history of all transactions. It would be a pain to do it that way, but steemd.com/@youraccount is an example. It will literally have every single transaction you have ever done; it is just not organized at all.
:)
you should run customer service, lol that was fast, this one actually , if i take a very high number for the first 10.000 its out of range meaning i couldnt check for the (imaginary number)100 trillionth transaction (assuming there is one within a lifetime ofcourse) its just something i noticed while i was dabbling and mucking about. This thing actually tells me how many shares in @steembasicincome an account has given (not how many it has received since that data is not available as they send you only one msg when you get enrolled so you'd have to have the names already and sift through those accounts too, its just to check because they're still on manual and i want to make sure it works, mutual self intrest but more than that , i think its a great initiative to at least try and make an example of what can potentially be done for ubi.
and actually i had more horror stories : assuming you're not living in the EU you might have heard not only of the up and coming strict privacy rules but maybe "the right to be forgotten" (the mighty google just lost a case on that, not too long ago) because its somewhat scary, i mean i KNOW all my stuff is locked in the chain and i agree to that, but the overlords here, they can get cooky, like when they sued apple for backtaxes, while Ireland actually wasn't even complaining.
So ... i'm not sure how much you are involved in any of it but you seem to know a lot so, if anyone at all ever claims "the right to be forgotten" i fear i might get locked out of my account as this lot moves to a place outside and blocks the whole of europe from attending.
Hypothetical situations but potentially dangerous situations, i'm good at doom lol (not the game) and seeing this is real money and potentially actually decent money over time, stuff like that could be a massive wrecking ball on my way to independence
so i guess now i have two questions at once :) no rush, i check answers anyway at least every other day
i'm sure you can find the relevant info on the 1e100 if you want but its real, its not something i make up to be funny
speaking of 1e100 for instance i could not query for the 1e100th transaction using that method in the api because the number is too high and gives an error, thats what i meant :p
Yeah. The api.steemit.com node and the account history in the steemit.com have the same issue - they only go back so far. That is an issue they are working on addressing.
Regarding the right to be forgotten - you are right, in that it will be interesting to see how it all plays out. I don’t think anybody knows yet. A lot of the legal things that are being brought up regarding blockchains are new territory.
i'm not sure if interesting is the word i'd use there lol, if i have an acount i put a few 100 in (which is as good as a months income right now) and is worth more than that and some people in high towers over my head suddenly decide i can't reach it anymore (be it the overlords of mordor for their enlightened reasons) or the lords of steemit out of sense of self-preservation. You do understand that's not very confidence inspiring and worth a bit of nailbiting there since , considering the enlightendness (yea i use that a lot but i think it's applicable since i have gutter-side perspective here) on both sides it doesnt really matter if i waive my right or on the others side try to bypass any blocks because after all im somewhat of an investor in 'the firm' no matter how small it may be and like i said they didnt care much for ireland saying they didnt care about apple because they werent dissatisfied with the situation. If that loses me something that can benefit someone like me a great great deal, that's troublesome at least, to use a very mild word lol
I'm starting to feel like an interviewer here, but that's because you actually answer with facts to the best of your ability so allow me to repeat there's no rush here, i'm going nowhere (atm literally and figuratively) and i check my replies back always quite a lot to see if i didnt miss anything interesting
so , among other questions that keep chewing and nibbling at me :
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The central authority decides it's bad, what happens ? you can't unchain it, can they just kick someone out ? close the account ? or worse :: prevent access to the actual money included. Not that i intend to crusade or anything but these are serious questions don't you agree?
i see you did and thanks for that, every little boost is appreciated but i dont mind if you dont b/c im sure you have plenty of people to answer at your level and i am probably far from done asking questions if you keep answering with useful info
see you around :))
oh btw (woops another edit +x kilobytes blockchain duh! :p ) i fear the perspective of the lords of mordor on said issue might be setting precedent, seeing as if they denied google already, setting precedent by allowing "the right to waive" to their faithful peasant subjects might be something they don't want to do, literally forcing separation, and for some i fear Trump won't mind (more separation) it seems be one of his 'things' ... just before i forget, i'll try to keep more for other posts lol if something pops in my head
Regarding the blocking of access, since everything runs on the Steem blockchain, as long as you can access the blockchain somehow - you should be able to access your account and funds. For example you could use @jesta’s vessel desktop wallet and just point to any one of the public RPC nodes.
The one account one vote idea is related to SMT oracles. It would actually benefit smaller stakeholders the most since everyone’s votes would be equal. The oracle SMT implementation assumes there are “oracles” that will be verifying the uniqueness of individuals, so people cannot signup for multiple accounts.
Not sure where you are going with the central authority idea. I don’t know under what scenario that would ever happen with Steem.