I don't think the solution to bad hard fork changes is to create bots to indiscriminately counter self-voting. The best solution would be to roll back the hard fork and fix what was broken...what has allowed the undesired behavior to become more prevalent and lucrative.
There are consequences for making changes to the code. When those consequences are problematic, then the obvious solution is to fix the code. If I recall correctly, STINC has stated that they would roll back hard forks that caused problems. Let's see if they're willing to do this.
It's not quite indiscriminately, it won't down vote a self voted comment by a user with less than 1000 SP (I didn't mention this above, editing it now). Before I go on, how would you consider it if we raised the threshold further, say to 5000 SP? Or even 20,000 SP?
Perhaps the solution is to roll back the hard fork. The problem with that is that minnows will lose their newfound power. This has been a big boon and encouragement for many.
However I think those with lots of SP are making hay while the sun is shine so to speak. Most of us think Steem will go up and up, so this is just good self interested practice at this point, based purely on the incentives. So I guess in a nutshell we intend to try to counter those incentives mostly using social means, which can be effective.
The trade off has been more massive than I would have thought. The rewards curve set to squared was intended to stop self voting not just from the same account but from other, as it makes the loss of dividing your SP significant. That too has been removed in HF 19.
I would argue though that dealing small flags, up to but not further than countering a self vote, does not seem harmful to me. At the very most it is a disagreement with the reward that you have allocated yourself. It would be hard to make a cry moarh post about it and get support I would think.
I would be interested to hear an @steemitblog or similar official mouthpiece response to the self voting (and other) concerns of the populous since HF 19. I hope they do not lose their teeth because of the pressure to be super positive happy fun marketing people.
" Before I go on, how would you consider it if we raised the threshold further, say to 5000 SP? Or even 20,000 SP?"
Kinda like it was uneven treatment under "the law".
Whatever do you mean?
Well, you are treating people to different rules based on the money they have, right? This is admittedly a bit melodramatic, but that sounds like Aristocracy.
Yep
Usually, when someone concedes a point, you are supposed to respond to the rest of the logic rather than repeat it.
Do you have no response for the fact you endorse different treatment based on net worth, and that you think "your" (collective) judgment is correct on where that line should be drawn?
Because that's self-assigned power, however you slice it.
If it wasn't clear, I was saying "yes that's a bit melodramatic" and so not something I'm going to take seriously. I don't believe you meant it seriously either.
The line is arbitrarily drawn by us at a level we feel is sufficient to exclude truly new minnows. We exercise no power other than that of our stake and that which has been delegated to us freely. But it's all a bit of red herring isn't it, since you disagree to entirely?
Well, it's a minor point, but I think it's fair to say that getting to pick the arbitrary line on any behavior in a social context comes with some degree of power and, to borrow from Spider-Man, responsibility. Hypothetically speaking, if you set the line just above the creator's power, that would be hard to justify as not some kind of advantage, albeit only as large as dodging the bot would be. So, probably not much.
Have you considered adjusting the bot with only one change - no flag, just the reports/updates? It's too bad there's no PM feature, because hypothetically, you could even PM a warning before a public name-and-shame.
I'm not sure these are good suggestions, just off the top of my head.
For one thing it's for particular purpose that has nothing to do with aristocratic ideas, for the other it's in a voluntary situation. Noone is forced to operate in the network.
I guess by that logic, all laws and rulings are voluntary. After all, nobody is forced to live anywhere, am I right?
I think there's a clear difference between opportunistically investing time or money in a social network that still hasn't left beta testing and being born into a nation state.
Maybe that's just me.