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RE: Remembering Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Tokyo: Statism Manifested as Murder Apologism (why some individuals still view mass murder as morally legitimate)

in #war7 years ago

Collectivism requires extreme nationalism to maintain centralized power.

Collectivism does not need contralized power

How else to keep the poulation in line with the party message?

It also does not need a party.

Propoganda of constant consistent messaging is necessary to legitimize the centralized top down heirarchy we all virtually live under.

That is also true for voluntarism, or how will you make people like it without propaganda?

The state seeks dependency and loyalty, loyalty comes by covering up their misdeeds.

That also is not true. It is a way and often done, but not necessary. You can have loyalty by being honest, too.

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Collectivism is centralized power by definition, an yes it is a party or a group. If you are virtuous you won't need propoganda puff pieces to gloat about yourself, misdeeds by collectivist nationalist govt. go hand in hand, we have over 100 years of data now, there's no argumemt.

Collectivism is emphasis on the group.

Nothing for that requires centralized power or a party.

If you are virtuous you won't need propoganda puff pieces to gloat about yourself

So because betamax was obvious better it won against VHS?
Because the fights against dictators are virtuous they always succeed?
And so on...

How does that work? Collectivism is a governmental philosophy, you have to have a powerful government that taxes everyone into oblivion to fund "collectivism" and it has to keep people in line by telling them good stories about how collectivism "benefits" everyone. Collectivism in the current format of the definition and how it operates today, globally is centralized organization and planning, backed up by a powerful governing body which imposes its will upon people through force and coersion. Truth.

Collectivism is a governmental philosophy

No

you have to have a powerful government that taxes everyone into oblivion to fund "collectivism"

No

keep people in line by telling them good stories about how collectivism "benefits" everyone.

NO

For easyness, may I quote Wikipedia here?

Collectivism is the moral stance, political philosophy, ideology, or social outlook that emphasizes the group and its interests

I admit the english article is not the best one, but nowhere you will found that collectivism needs a state.
For example a cloister is a perfect example for a collectivist society.

Explain how collectivism works without government.

State is not government and government is not state.

Anyway, the volantaryists are first to deliver, I still haven't met even one who can explain even easy things like how to build a road without government or without state, not to mention without both.

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