Venezuelan Narratives, Front Running the Regime Change Ops.

in venezuela •  6 months ago  (edited)

The front running of the Regime change ops is not so hard to see,
Ukraine, Syria, Libya , Now Venezuela again,
Heres VoltaireProject Kurt W Tidd, Stella Colloni and Thierry Meyssan. From as far back as February 2018!!!!
https://www.voltairenet.org/article201100.html
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https://www.voltairenet.org/article201159.html
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https://www.voltairenet.org/article204400.html

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Open Thread: US Backs anti-Maduro Coup in Venezuela
https://off-guardian.org/2019/01/24/open-thread-the-crisis-in-venezuela/
Caracas, Venezuela January 23, 2019. REUTERS/Carlos Garcia Rawlins
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Here is a thread on Twitter from 14th January, where in knocking Jeremy Corbyn some one trotted out the, " Ask the people about Venezuela about Socialism", Jibe.
https://twitter.com/RickyPNewins/status/1084813983704600576

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The Caspian Report analysis of the currency crisis is very good, of course with the largest Oil reserves in the world, Venezuela is excellent canon fodder for the US Thirst for Oil.

What is likely to happen after May's deal is blown voted down tomorrow?

@jbhearn @CreativeDeduct @TIMGOLDFINCH @PMotels @CryptoPedro @Cryptoid870

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David

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Maybe JC would try go for vote of no confidence.

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Creative Deduction

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he may have to, he's sort of committed to it. but don't think he'll win it. that doesn't mean no election though. but it's hard for the Tories to declare an election without knowing who is their candidate for PM. will they accept May to lead them? can they agree on someone else?

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Bea Johanssen

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If Corbyn wanted to win a vote of no confidence, the easiest way would be for Labour to vote to pass the EU withdrawal agreement.

Assuming that the DUP make good on their threats to collapse the government if it passes.

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Creative Deduction

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true, but can he really vote for her deal and the credibly propose a vote of no confidence? i know all politicians are cynical, but that would be so transparent even he may not be brazen enough

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RogerGLewis

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Corbyn and all non Blairite Neo-Liberal Labour MPs will oppose the May Deal, the Blairites want Corbyn gone as much as any in the establishment. Corbyn is a real fly in the ointment he argues that there are alternatives to neo liberalism thats Taboo in Europe, The USA and The UK

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Ricky Peter Newins

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Democratic socialism doesn't go down well with the establishment, just a little too lefty for the kleptocratic banking cartel and crony corporations.

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Bea Johanssen

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The people of Venezuela aren't too fond of it either.
https://twitter.com/bea_johanssen/status/1084830475242356736
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RogerGLewis

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Published on Jul 1, 2017

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Bea, Venezuela has more to do with the Monroe Doctrine than Socialism of any sort.
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Ricky Peter Newins

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For me its clear where Venezuela is concerned, economic calculation problem/central planning, viz just enough gov interference in the economy and things go tits up.

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Bea Johanssen

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The Venezuelan government controls around 90% of the economy and, in particular petroleum production which accounts for around 70%.

The answer isn't "more state control" but less corruption, less state-sponsored violence and less of the incompetent hand of state control.

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RogerGLewis

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Bea, the state who has intefered in venezuela as much as the elected Chavez and Maduro governments is the self appointed USA quangos and Black operations . That is a fact. The problems for economies defined by Oil are well known.
https://longhairedmusings.wordpress.com/2018/04/20/the-black-and-the-green-debt-oil-and-arms-zionist-imperialism-and-international-banking/ … seedrilling into debt PDF
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Bea Johanssen

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It's not a fact.

Venezuelan economy was hit by the slump in oil prices - until then, inflationary economic policy was buffered.

When it hit, the regime continued spending money it didn't have, expropriating businesses, allowing corruption and incompetence to ruin the economy.

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RogerGLewis

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bea watch the caspian report episodes both of them, I am saying the problem is the risk of a good example being set as Chomsky puts it.https://chomsky.info/unclesam01/
what the US wants is "stability," . security for the "upper classes and large foreign enterprises." .. OK. If not,

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Bea Johanssen

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I don't accept Chomsky as an authority on this, sorry.

Venezuela is proceeding as every socialist economy before it has done.

The issue is the same as it always is: deadening state control of everything and everyone, accompanied by the usual rampant corruption and cronyism

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RogerGLewis

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Bea, Every? you are being ideological and dogmatic IMO.
The problem in political economy is not communism, socialism, even Capitalism per se. The problem is Elitism and Monopoly financialised Fascism ( Corporate state )
John Dewey, Smedley Butler etc etc. Not just Chomsky.

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Bea Johanssen

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...and if you think that the problem is "elitism and monopoly financialised fascism" (sic) why would you think that elitism and monopoly financed communism offers any better solution?

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RogerGLewis

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I do not, thats your strawman of what I have been saying. Watch the two Caspian report episodes, Venezuela can not be isolated to its those silly socialists again. Generalised claims are suspect boundary conditions essential etc.
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Bea Johanssen

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Come back when you can explain why coercion and the removal of personal liberties and economic freedom is any kind of workable social model that operates for the benefit of individual citizens.

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David

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So May's deal 😂😉

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Bea Johanssen

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Which:

  • Has nothing at all to do with a discussion on "democratic socialism"

  • Isn't "May's deal" but the deal that A5 compels the EU to offer. It confirmed that it won't renegotiate another.

  • Other options are available: all have consequences

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I was just joking Bea, commenting on how the conversation diverted to Venezuela and away from Ricky first tweet. 👍

10:27 AM - 14 Jan 2019

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I know - sorry I missed it at the time: was exchanging pleasantries with a Corbynite and a little distracted.....

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RogerGLewis

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You think I'm a Corbynite? I have no strong feelings against Corbyn but Equally, I FInd Rees Mogg and David Davis perfectly agreeable. I am essentially a Distributist Anarchist and do not support any one political party as I think Direct Democracy is hampered by Party Tribalism.

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