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RE: Vaxxed and Injured My family's Story

in #vaccines7 years ago

I would also mention here what other poster said in another post about the subject :

Hard data and facts agree vaccination can be harmful in extremely rare cases. Anti-vaxxers would likely argue against the exact definition of "extremely rare". Only the uninformed defend vaccines as universally good. The scientific consensus is that the benefits for the population as a whole far outweigh the negatives for individual cases.

Vaccinating everyone protects people with weak immune systems, and vaccination has managed to eradicate certain diseases in the first world. Some of these diseases are making a comeback due to increasing immigration from unvaccinated populations as well as homegrown anti-vaxxers movement.

On the flipside, most vaccines come with a ~20% chance to cause local pain (and we are increasingly learning pain in the formative years can have long-term consequences), and a ~5% chance to cause a fever. Sometimes the consequences can be more dreadful: the MMR vaccine is estimated to have a one in a million chance of causing body encephalitis, which has a very high death rate.

It's a cold calculation. Vaccination kills less people than no vaccination, but it does kill people who might live otherwise. This makes sense both at the population scale and even as a parent, but statistics mean nothing on the individual level when your kid is the unlucky one.

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If you and your children are vaccinated, me and my children are no threat to you. For my experience, I was one of the .05% unlucky people who had an autoimmune response. My children share my DNA. Why the hell would I risk it by giving them a ton of vaccines?

Congrats finnian, you are one of the few people who have a legitimate reason for not getting a vaccine.

Keep in mind, most anti-vaxxers do not actually have such a reason.

me and my children are no threat to you

While not quite fully true, but for the most part you are right. They are likely harmless to anyone who has been vaccinated.

Why the hell would I risk it by giving them a ton of vaccines?

You shouldn't, I don't think anyone would argue for you or them to get vaccinated.

Currently, anti-vaxxers pose the biggest threat to families like yours as right now you rely on herd immunity to protect you and your children from diseases like measles, mumps, etc.

No, I would recommend they not vaccinate too. For most of the tons of shots given, there is no good reason to get the vaccine.

Well, there's preventing disease.

finnian, I'm just gonna leave you with one thing.

Here is a list of side-effects for the anthrax vaccine.

http://www.rxlist.com/biothrax-side-effects-drug-center.htm

You might notice that many if not all of the side -effects you experienced are listed there. You got dealt a bad hand and experienced something truly painful do to your physiology.

Now the main difference between your case and hers is that the things you experienced are well documented, whereas hers are actually shown time and time again to be proven wrong.

You claim to have experienced these symptoms, and your claims are backed up by science.

She claims her son developed conditions like Asperger's, however, her claims are disproven by science. It would be more believable had the son experienced the actual disease or symptoms.

What science, where is the science that backs up those side effects claims, where are the safety studies that drew up those claimed side effects, all you have is Appeal to Authority, Appeal to Popularity, and bullshit claims that don't have one shred of evidence to back them up and are devoid of substance.

If you claim that vaccines have been studied for their side effects and these are known, show us those studies.

where is the science that backs up those side effects claims

Really, I just showed that they've been documented in reputable sites.

If you claim that vaccines have been studied for their side effects and these are known, show us those studies.

They have, and you can easily find the studies on the CDC and WHO's website.

Really, I just showed that they've been documented in reputable sites.

Appeal to authority doesn't equate to proof of how and why these claims for side effects exist.

They have, and you can easily find the studies on the CDC and WHO's website.

Bullshit.

I understand you are retarded. But you can easily just go to these websites and search vaccines.

Although, you seem like you will immediately dismiss it all as a government conspiracy given your post history.

Making claims

They have, and you can easily find the studies on the CDC and WHO's website.

You do not back up, so 1999.

I mean, just go to the CDC/WHO website and search for vaccines

Please stop commenting on this thread. This is her own story and you shouldn't argue with someone's own story.

Maybe i shouldnt , but im not doing that , im disagreeing with the emotional appeal that its being made by her story

Also , This is being shared publicily and earning rewards by appealing to the sensibilty of readers , so people shouldnt be restricted to making comments of approval or support , but to analize all the content being presented , Just like you are free to present a certain view on a topic , we are free to disagree , im not discussing whether anything she said is true , but im discussing the implications being made

I did just realize that I was confusing you with i-repost, who basically did call her a liar.
So this flag comment was meant more for him. Sorry.
Still, this post is her own personal story and the sequence of events that happened, and even her doctors confirmed it.
I get very defensive of people who have the courage to speak out with their own stories, even though they know that they may be mocked and called liars or crazy.
I can take flack on my own articles, but then I don't have a vaccine injured child.

This woman already sacrificed her child for the supposed greater good, and all she gets is flack when she tells her own story.

you shouldn't argue with someone's own story.

Yes you should.

If you continue commenting on this post you will be flagged.
She said in the post that her story is not up for debate,
so respect that please.

Then don't post it in a public forum. But sure threaten me with flags it just makes you look stupid lol.

btw you threatening to flag me is the same exact bullshit you try and criticize health organizations for. You are using money to silence a dissenting opinion. The only difference is health organizations don't actually do this.

You have been asked to stop. Respect that.
I don't flag people who debate with me when I put out an article,
but you have gone above and beyond what is socially acceptable.
You are calling her own story a lie. This is HER story.
She doesn't need a medical journal to tell her what she saw and experienced with her own eyes.
Stop it!

Well , censoring people certainly doesent help whatever is the case being made.
For that matter , the flag button is for a specific function , being reporting content of poor quality or spam or anything other form abuse
Anyway i trust the community to make a good call on i-repost comments, we value freedom of speech here and civil discussion

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it

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The flag is for free use on Steemit. Anyone can use it in any way they please. If you don't believe me, take it up with @berniesanders, or one of his alternates. He'll explain it to you in a way you won't forget.

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