Response to Popular Pro-vax Propaganda Comic
A friend of mine recently tagged me in the comments section of a Facebook post, I am sure from a sense of concern and care. This is the second time I have seen this popular pro-government/big pharma vaccine comic, so I decided to address it nearly point-by-point.
No emotional attacks please, if you wish to debate or take issue with the following points, let's do so respectfully:
Here are all the points in this comic that are fallacious, misinformation, or misleading.
If you check smallpox, polio, and measles mortality rates using government databases, the numbers show the diseases to be in steep decline years and years prior to the introduction of their respective vaccines. As even medical professionals will tell you, cleanliness and better sanitation were wiping out these diseases left and right. In fact, in many countries, the smallpox and polio vaccines caused/continue to cause spikes in cases and deaths.
Edward Jenner was a failed scientist whose son became mentally retarded as a child and then died at age 21. He claimed himself that his first formulation did not provide protection. His son was likely vaccine injured. https://therefusers.com/jenners-son-became-mentally-retarded-and-died-after-smallpox-vaccination/
This is the real tell that this comic is a hit piece. Wakefield's case study did not claim that vaccines cause autism. It was a case study about certain gut diseases coinciding with autism and included parent reports which all case studies include. If you read it, THE PAPER ITSELF STATES THEY ARE NOT CLAIMING A CONNECTION. His partner Smith has since been vindicated and has had his license restored. This part of the comic is a blatant lie and this can be proven by reading the study. There's absolutely no reason to put stock in it after this, but I will try to hit the rest of the points.
"Scientists aren't sure of the exact cause of autism, but none of them suspect vaccines." Another total lie. Compiled list: https://sharylattkisson.com/what-the-news-isnt-saying-about-vaccine-autism-studies/ I'll also quote Julie Gerberding, former head of the famously corrupt CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Intervention) speaking back in 2008: "If you're predisposed with the mitochondrial disorder it can certainly set off some damage. Some of the symptoms can be symptoms that have characteristics of autism."~Julie Gerberding, then Director of CDC, CNN, Sanjay Gupta's "House Call," 2008
Eating tuna is not the same as injecting neurotoxins intravenously.
Lol at them saying aborted fetal tissues are not used to make vaccines. This is printed directly on the official inserts. People are just too lazy to read them.
It is common knowledge, and easily researched via even official government and "public health" avenues such as the CDC and vaccine manufacturers databases themselves that vaccines cannot and do not provide lifelong immunity. They destroy true herd immunity by compromising the immune systems over the long run. Immunology understands this. https://steemit.com/health/@kafkanarchy84/how-modern-vaccination-practices-are-destroying-true-herd-immunity
I think many people assume I have come to my decision not to vaccinate lightly, or that I am some sort of conspiracy theorist. When it comes down to brass tacks, I always find myself to be much more well-read on the topic.
How no conflict of interest is seen when vaccine manufacturers are on the boards of directors of government health organizations is beyond me. These companies, as per the 1986 Childhood Vaccine Protection Act, cannot be sued.
I also find it hard to trust an entity (CDC) that has been embroiled in scandal since the 1930s to the present. From 1930 - 1974 intentionally watching black people in rural Mississippi infect each other with Syphilis and telling them it was "bad blood." Even though the government organization knew, they provided no treatment. A whistleblower blew the lid off this in the 70s. As recently as 2013 another whistleblower surfaced regarding trashed data that allegedly connected spiked Autism rates in African American boys with early vaccination.
TL;DR:
Information is being suppressed and outright lies are being pushed. When transparency in this arena becomes a reality, I may reconsider, if new information presents itself. Until then, I have done my homework. This silly comic is obviously propaganda for reasons delineated specifically above. People will continue to mock me for what they call my "Google degree," but poor and illogical attempts at marginalization ultimately do not sway me.
~KafkA
Graham Smith is a Voluntaryist activist, creator, and peaceful parent residing in Niigata City, Japan. Graham runs the "Voluntary Japan" online initiative with a presence here on Steem, as well as Facebook and Twitter. (Hit me up so I can stop talking about myself in the third person!)
Yes, yes, yes. Non of those points it debated by the comic and none of those points has anything to do with the effectiveness of vaccines.
Yes, vaccines may not work always. In some cases they hurt. They still save 100 lives for every big injury.
What Wakefield claimed or not is not really of importance. The comic states that the vaccine-autism myth started with that study.
And if his partner has done nothing wrong or not also does not have anything to say Wakefield.
So your point 3 is completely meaningless for the comic, too.
I won't comment on the list, simply because I don't have the time to check them. Fact is: international consensus is that autism is not caused by vaccination. Consensus is also that it does to seem to be an influenting factor.
And even it is, the fact still holds true that vaccines save l lot more lives (and sever damages) then they are destroying.
Um. Yes. It takes a few minutes more to get into your blood and cells if you eat or drink it. Your point?
I never seen that aborted fetal tissue is used to produce vaccines. Maybe you mean they are used in testing the safety? Either way: So what?
So the vaccination is not as long as the governmental office that is attacked for "wasting" money to fund vaccines. See the problem here?
Logical result for you would be to demand more vaccinations, every decade for example in cases where that is needed.
Also you ignore other factors. "Protected" may not mean "100% save". Perhaps it's just 90%, which is would be OK if everyone got vaccines. Maybe it means "You will still get ill but it will be far less strong".
And the "herd immunology is destroyed" lacks any proof or even theoretical basis (at least here presented).
TL;DR:
You 7 points cannot put up even one successful attack on the comic.
So, logically, you should behave now like the comic says.
The comic explicitly states that the study "claimed a link" when it factually did not. This is false. I will let you respond to this point before I tackle the rest. Once again, the comic says verbatim claimed a link, but the study factually did not.
Okay, it stands there in one picture, you are right. Then the comic says that this was not true.
So either the comic misworded it or misinterpreted it, maybe falling for the the anti-vaccine crowd claiming that the study said that (which I read several times).
The comic clearly maintains Wakefield claimed a connection. This is verifiably false.
Yes. Maybe they did it with malicious interest! We don't know, albeit I start with the thought that errors are made by error and not by intention.
Still that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the effectiveness of vaccines or the current medical view on a possible causation of autism.
I cited studies which you have refused to read. I did not argue either for or against the effectiveness of vaccines, specifically, in this post, so I am not sure what you are getting at.
I was referring to your post, that is talking about vaccination efficiency and autism link, not your comment about wakefield who is irrelevant to that post.
I am confused. I was under the impression that this post was the one you were taking issue with. Needless to say, I will wait for you to examine the studies.
Nevermind, I just read some of your other comments. You are being very emotional and expressing willing ignorance. You admit yourself you have not read the inserts or the CDC's information. I only respond to respectful, factual debate. I have too much to do to waste time with childish insults and willing ignorance, with all due respect.
Examples: "I never seen [sic] that aborted fetal tissue is used to produce vaccines....Either way, so what?"
A cursory glance at a package insert will clear this up for you.
"Protected" may not mean "100% save." Perhaps it is just 90%.
You can find out exactly what it means by reading the FDA, CDC, and manufacturer resources.
"I won't comment on the list, simply because I don't have time to check them."
I will have to flag or mute you if you continue to spam this comment thread. This space is for serious debate only. You will have to find the time to at least give a cursory glance at the referenced materials.
Thank you, and peace.
LOL
please show where I was being "emotional" except for that one lol.
And please, DO USE FACTS!!! instead of your quite emotional and attacking response.
If you know all that, then by all means link the primary sources and don't just say it stands somewhere in the web.
I will not fly over the Atlantic for a cursory glance ;)
Not that is an emotional response if I ever saw one. ONE comment is spam? Uttering meaningless threats because I don't find the absence of any proofs convincing?
Of course, you can send me 100.000 steem I can make a review of those articles. I wonder why you expect people to invest weeks of study and get angry if they say they don't have the time.
"Fly over the Atlantic" to look at a package insert??? They are available on vaccine manufacturer websites.
Link or it didn't happen. Since you surely have done your research, you should have the links or at least know where to get them again.
Please consider that I am a native German that never was in the US, so please bear with my incompetence at knowing where I have to look - you can find it 10 times faster for sure.
I'm not angry at all. You refused to read the material. If you don't wish to engage unless 100 Steem is sent your way. I cannot help you.
I never said you were angry. I said you were reacting emotional and accusing me of things I did not do "childish insults and willing ignorance".
I also did not refuse. I just stated the costs associated with that activity. 100K steem btw. decimal point and decimal comma...
So please show me where I am angry in my first comment. Or whatever you mean with emotional.
Because if you cannot I must assume that you are intentionally be ad hominem.
I got no more time for this, bro. As I said, peace. Thank you for reading.
If the pro-vax side had the mountain of evidence that they claim, they wouldn't need to use such outright obvious lies to make their case.
When they present such faulty and manipulative arguments it makes their case look very weak.
The people arguing with you on this thread are ignoring the fact that this comic picked some of the worst arguments they could have used. They tried using different arguments that they thought were better, and you kept trying to veer them back to the fact that you were only pointing out the obvious flaws in this comic's points.
If vaccination has better evidence, than the comic should have not highlighted the worst ones.
Right. Exactly. Why would they use outright lies and such a desperate sounding sarcastic tone if the "science was settled" and unanimously on their side?
Interesting ideas.
However, I personally feel that abuse is a significant cause of autism.
I base this on the research of psychologist R.D. Laing and the idea of socially-constructed conditions. We live in a society in which an individual is often 'diagnosed' with a disease where, in reality, they are expressing the dysfunction of an entire society.
My feelings on this were mostly speculative (based on a lot of reading and my experiences as a kid) until I encountered the phenomena first-hand on the street near my aparment last summer.
I confronted a woman smashing her child's tiny head violently into the side of a car, almost knocking him out, and screaming at him. The kid was about three years old.
I shouted at her to stop.
"You don't understand," she shouted back. Pushing me. "He has autism!"
I was also diagnosed with autism as a kid. But I was being sexually abused and the symptoms of 'autism' were my adaptation to cope.
I'm not proposing that autism=abuse victim, but simply that this diagnostic category itself is absurd since it seems to umbrella such a diverse range of conditions, many of which society (via doctors) do not wish to confront in children.
I can think of a mechanism by which vaccination would provoke 'autistic' symptoms in a child, but it would be more complex than simple causation. It's possible that a child, weakened by abuse in the home, is immunologically attenuated, and the introduction of the vaccination provokes a bodily reaction that compounds and accelerates the emergence of behavioural symptoms provoked by other environmental factors.
In other words, the vaccination is not causative, but accelerative.
Or, as the CDC and other medical research claims, children with certain mitochondrial predispositions may find the vaccine a "trigger event."
My initial intention was to add some salt to this discussion, but actually @lennstar already said it all. Thank you for that. I'm following you now, @lennstar. And thank you @kafkanarchy84 for the link to this nice comic. I like it. :-)
I have provided @lennstar with all requested information which he has openly admitted he will not read. This is sad.
Do you mean the quoted studies? I think you can't expect other people to dig through tons of data to prove your point. If you have a point, you have to proof it. Apart from that:
P.S: No hard feelings, right?
Of course I didn't expect him to read every study. I was pointing out that many of the points made in the comic are demonstrably false, such as the claim that the Wakefield study "claimed a link."
He also stated that there is "no science" suggesting a link, so I posted a link to several studies. He refused to examine even one of them.
No, no hard feelings in regard to that memetic inanity. ;)