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RE: I'll take my natural immunity 🖼 any day over vaccines💉

in #vaccines7 years ago

I'm a PhD scientist. I stopped vaccinating because I think they cause harm. The medical studies that are often mentioned are based on fraud. It's tobacco science. Health improvements came through sanitation. Many of the vaccines weren't even added until after the vast majority of the decline of cases happened. Do your own research before advocating one way or another and don't just trust the studies.

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Can I get an amen?

No, don't trust year-long global multicenter studies. Trust a "PhD scientist" from the interwebs.

Right, just blindly trust every piece of data from companies that make billions. I'm assuming you're still smoking which is good for your lungs in a house lined with asbestos which is great insulation, spraying DDT which will have no lasting impact on the environment, enjoying your walls which have been colored by leaded paint. Corporations can cause no harm. I bow to your vast understanding.

I just read a lot of shit and realized one day that they were lying, they are lying, and predict they will be lying.

@aggroed One of the most important traits to have as a scientist is to be open minded and willing to look at what scientific evidence reflects about the way things work, regardless of our personal ideology. If you just shut down your own reasoning with a "I will never believe them, they are evil and are full of shit and will never believe them no matter what they say!" attitude, you are blinding yourself to valid possibilities and solid evidence about how our world works.

Sure, there are models and paradigms we don't like or make us feel uncomfortable, but ultimately the way nature works (and our bodies, for that matter) is not a matter of opinions, but an objective fact that can be discovered through scientific research. One must analyze the big picture instead of just cherry picking whatever bits of information that make us feel more comfortable. Is research fallible and manipulable by bigger interests? Of course it is! But it is the best approach we have, and it would be foolish to discard every piece of knowledge obtained and verified countless times just because of a personal suspicion that maybe some of it might be manipulated, or because of a few known examples where there was clear scientific misconduct.

By the way, I took a look at your profile and couldn't find any kind of science-related content published by you, what field do you work in as a scientist?

Again, a lot of what you're talking about assumes that models aren't tampered with on purpose. These guys lie and manipulate data. You can be open minded and all, but gotta have a reasonable starting point.

You are using a computer or even a mobile device to write this comment. These are complex instruments that make use of various interconnected microelectronic elements (e.g. Transistors) and can execute complicated maths based procedures (think of Bitcoin mining). They are the results of decades and decades of intellectual work and experimental research by scientists in the fields of physics, engineering and cybernetics. Lastly, communication technology added the internet on top of the computer (developed by the US Department of Defense). Nowadays, companies like Microsoft or Apple earn tens of billions of USD selling this technology to the people globally.
According to your logics, the models that the IT products are based on were manipulated and tampered with (because scientists developed them and the IT industry earns lots of money!). So what will happen then as a consequence of the manipulation? Are we all going to get cancer from the electromagnetic radiation that these devices emit? The pharma companies will come into play and sell their useless anti-cancer drugs to earn billions of dollars and profit from all the pain that the IT industry has caused. Because, guess what? The IT and pharma companies have planed this all along! For the purpose of killing off humanity, even the evil scientists and developers themselves included.
Point is, you see that your smartphone or computer work because they do what you want them to do (most of the times, at least). You experience it with your own senses and can yourself easily verify the claims made by IT tech developers.
Now that is not possible when it comes to biomedical research because we humans cannot even visually distinguish a single cell from another, not to speak of macromolecules like antibodies or DNA molecules, due to limitations of the resolution of our eyesight.
It is understandable that many people will be very suspiscious of research in the field of cell biology since there is almost no way that a layman can verify the results himself due to the complex equipment and methods, time and knowledge needed to do this.
This is where science communication comes into play and judging from the article that we are commenting on and at least half of the comments, science communication has failed. This makes me sad and a little bit angry.

Great response! These people usually just take a stance and go "nanananana". You can't buy every fucking scientist out there! All theses scientists are people too. They have a family too! A majority of them is trying to make the world a better place.

Someone sane and with a humor- thank you! @replichara

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