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and what would a noobie's perspective have to do with projects and initiatives that were set up long before they got here?

it's not like they would be given 100% upvotes..at some point, every ones growth on the platform should be an objective.

There's where we'll have to agree to disagree. Some are willing to put more effort in, and therefore deserve FAR more than those who are willing to take shortcuts to success.

As a newbie who hasn't researched all the upvote bots and etc. I agree with you, when I see those bots and other ways to get upvote I feel like it would be cheating, yet if I don't research what is out there to get my posts read more, all the people who are posting meaningless garbage would be ahead of me. Maybe the whole system needs little bit overhauling. Yet I am not really informed enough to know what that overhaul would be.

You're absolutely right. It is indeed a lot like cheating...

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