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they didn't have block chain in colorado and were still able to vote in a direct fashion on thing that impacted them directly.... I am sure that direct democracy at a local, state and european level can only improve understand of the people of europe and be a real forward solution to prevent war on the continent, sadly, the ruling class and those leeching are hell bent on stopping any popular expression they disagree with, exposing their inefficiencies on capitalizing on shifting trends $gs :).

Direct democracy would be much more transparent if it was built on a blockchain tho.

verifiable centralized open sourced systems have advantages too...

distributing the votes results, or system doesn't solve the basic issues :

only those allowed to vote can particiapte, without cheating possibilities (trustlessness) in a fully auditable way while preserving the individual privacy of each vote...

sometimes, wanting to add innovation to a system only makes it more complex, of course they may be marketing advantages, but if those introduce superior risks to the system, once they realized, it's a raw loss...

kiss...

Keep It Stupidly Simple...

Blockchain can be a centralized system too, but it has a huge benefit (as a data structure) - immutability of the past, thus it's a perfect choice for any democracy (if we're able to provide a private key for each citizen ofc).

"Traditional" databases could be manipulated much easier, even if the code is open sourced.

I think most people don't understand block chain or p2p torrent like systems...

block chain... a block is just an added snap shot audited and certified data set added to the previous data set.

the thing is that it is possible to have now direct democracy in france and germany, no need to invent or expense in any thing. just use the same ballot system than during presidential / chancellor elections...

what you preach is redundancy of the data set... but again a technological solution can always be defeated, like burning ballots in sadr city bagdad...

what you don't understand is that the time to implant direct democracy euro wide is short... and that having to add a new tech on top makes the all too complex...

what is better ? an ak47 right now or a rail gun in 10 year?

i blockchain is nothing more or less than a flat sequential file where "blocks" interlink in a way that its only possible for a block to be in an exact position in between two others due to the combination (in very layman-speech) but its basically that lol (if you think about it sql is a sequential file too, it just keeps pointers as to where to start for fast access ... multitasking is an illusion and all files are sequential a the base)

what scares me is pushing steem chain in the face of the EU, they have a bad habit of publicly acting all democratic and crowd about it, then draw conclusion and sign laws behind closed doors together with the lobby. It's a bold plan that might actually make the STEEM worth something but its also a coinflip that might explode in your face here. Usually regulation doesn't go down very well on planet crypton. I read many alarming things now the big players are putting pieces on the board. The morganites (the anti BTC concern) are PATENTING some chain - tek ... that's the beginning of the end potentially

but what i was saying a block - chain is a sequential flatfile where the shackles can only have one place because of the cryptography they can fit only between two exact shackles or blocks

de-centralization is a bit of a myth seeing as steemit has a central authority called witnesses (its not like everyone can just run a node, right ? only the rich) and EOS, which is like that amplified, they even call themselve eos_authority ... (how de-centralized does that sound)

its 'somewhat' like torrents only data is stuck in the chain forever (classic chains) where are as torrents are distributed but not 'shared by everyone' and if people stop seeding the data is gone

thats somewhat the main difference , pardon my lack of formal education but i never found that to be in the way of me understanding things (au contraire) , only sometimes in the way of other people getting what i'm saying lol3.png

yeah I agree fully what you wrote and understand it totally. The things to add is that some chains have died (meaning that like torrents some chains data is slowly decaying)...

Then I agree with you on steem, yes, I do fear that it will morph soon in a twitter/facebook like censorship... I put the maybe, but I am sure the pressure is intense toward the steemit.inc to make them compliant to the predator class.

I keep a bitmessage running in a vm and plan to learn more about i2p (syndie and co seem nice).

it's clearly a war, they aim to dominate the world, to rape, plunder and exploit it... but on the other hand there are some who are not interested in being serf, to be exploited and raped, and I refer to full scale war capable nations (china, russia being the main adversaries to the pedo rapists predator class ruling the west)... and there.... pffff... they can boast like zuckerberg to have 16 bodyguards... may I just say that natural death in PLAoC far exceed this number, I would even say hourly...

I am curious how do react the bodyguard of a zuck or david rockfeller react against a fully fledge sino/russia death squad with a clear objective and those guys standing in the path of completion...

and to get back to eos... yeah, they can dream... they will see... and then eventually use a dex to move their "wealth" to another fair, honest and reputable chain... in the meantime the pumpers will try to convince them to keep the bags...

for me, those chains, a big no no... and steem, I hope that amp will replace it one day.... or another fairer reward system.

I find outrageous that a few months ago there was not a single "witness" who was sharing at least a part of it's income with his voters... what a bunch of leeches...

anyway, have fun while steem last :).

And yes the predator class is alive... who knows what wickedness they will try next... but again their power, willingly or by death end at the start of the shanghai alliance walls :).

but ultmately those pedo rapists predators of the west, to their own demise underestimate chinese military tradition... and for that I will go back even before the unification... long history, many battles... to tell you palestinians just discover flamming kite... year 2018... hahahaa.

well, i hope to get my own up and running someday but to do that i would need some money from here lol ... if its as bad as you say then its pretty hopeless since i dont see many other alternatives ... my first month here i got nothing but downvoted after spending about 10 minutes in steemchat, must have said something that didnt sound like i was rolling over for a cookie. ALL my posts got downvoted, regardless of content or topic ... for a whole month, but i stuck through and then the price started falling so votes aint worth anything except if you're a cryptonnaire

if they turn to a censorable system then they will make a 180 degree turn like google did but what they do right now : storing every single edit of every single post in the blockchain , even if you alter only one letter i dont think thats the most efficient way to do it either ...

if i were religious id be praying for steem to go up so i could start DOING something i dont work well on dopamine and even less on the promise of a cookie or a bone from the table if i behave and yes, some of the witnesses seem to be very Trumpian in their political speeches, promising to strong-arm the plebs in the name of content (as if everyone can whip out a stephen king novel a day, right?)

guess we'll have to see, its do or die for me, all in, no alternative

I do not know many people sharing your sense of urgency. Probably there lies the rub. But I agree a dose of direct democracy could bring value if well implemented. It also has serious blindspots as humans tend to fall victim to their emotions and turn into lynching mobs sometimes.

because the parliaments aren't made of humans? so you have a problem with mob rulez or at least 50%+ of those expressing their opinions and prefer to have a selected few elected by the same humans? I mean are you even capable of logic?

I believe so, yes. You just need to open your eyes and see how the world works.

I can easily name as many instances as you wish where people have reacted emotionnaly with their limbic brain to an issue (that they often barely understood). Just like an incontrollable mob

I can't name even one instance where a parliament has reacted emotionally and behaved like a mob.

Even if it appears illogical to you, there must be something right with this arrangement because parliaments have started gaining ground 7 centuries ago and they have only spread from then on.

I can only note that there are always MORE parliaments created, not LESS. And each time a society creates a parliament it is widely acclaimed as societal progress. Of course that doesn't mean that we can't improve, I believe we can and in time we will.

But improvement will certainly not come from throwing the baby out with the badwater, as seductive as that seems to you.

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