Steem.Organic? Thanks but no thanks!
Yeah, I think Steemians are more than capable to find non-botted content without your taking from the reward pool
Oh you run a script to get the data?
But its too much trouble to actually add meaningful commentary about the content, huh?
Guess I could be wrong but I would imagine the vast majority of people share the sentiment of the following meme
In regard to the multiple trending posts that add little to no value with respect to their payout.
I don't intend to be mean or anything but just come on. Stop it. Will ya?
As it really seems like a clever way to farm rewards to me and you know me.
I don't take kindly to that
I guess it's none of my business, huh?
If you want to buy votes from yourself. Hey, that's free market. That's capitalism at work!
On second thought
As a fellow stakeholder on this platform, it is my damn business and everybody else's business.
Oh, you're promoting at a loss. Well, everybody. Let's give em a salute for their undoubtedly selfless sacrifice!
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But don't mind me.. I'm just "virtue signaling".
Inside joke between a good pal and me
Lastly, I want to ask the community. What do you think? Is @steem.organic serving a useful purpose to you or is just taking up space on Trending?
More importantly...
Do you think it's abuse and needs flags?
Let me know in a comment
I'm not sure if we would call this abuse but it may fall in the category of bid bot abuse. I mean we don't see @trufflepig on trending with their automated posts. Is @steem.organic "special"?
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I have seen them maybe once or twice on the trending page. Bid-bots vote selling, vote buying are a part of steemit whether we like it or not. Several of the Scot-tribes are trying to go bot-less, whether they succeed or not we will see. Advertising that you are down voting a post because of your's or someone else's view of bid-bots is not really right. Down voting because you disagree with the pay-out is justified. In fact there can be no question at all about *your * choice to down vote a post for excessive rewards.
First item on the reasons to down vote list. Bid Bot Abuse is not one of the listed reasons. Retaliation down voting is rampant right now, it is very rare that I do not get a down vote from one of the auto down vote accounts, or from an individual because I agreed with a policy of one of the Scot-tribes about reasons for muting people from their community. HF21 is not going to help if the down vote pool goes through.
Telling people they are going to be flagged if they Interact with an account that is being down voted is blatant attempt at coercion and is a type of blackmail.
Buying votes is not in the same category of plagiarism or abuse. The only three real reasons for any down voting you think a post is over valued. You believe the post is plagiarized, and you believe the post is abusive.
Spam, and bid-bot votes are a part of steemit life. Mis-tagging has been ignored for so long that it is hard to justify a down vote for that reason. Spam is everywhere on steemit. every Actift, d-like, steemhunt and all the other ad type post are spam to me. But like they say one man's spam is another mans sandwich.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. We are looking into a re-evaluating categories of "abuse" in general into terms that are less villifying. Maybe misappropriation of the reward pool is a less accusatory way to express it.
I do not put forth effort to conceal my stance against bid bots. My argument against them is on more philosophical grounds but I think arguments can be made using the whitepaper as a basis as the function of votes and their purpose seems to be distinctly indicated. Nevertheless, they have been normalized as a part of Steem culture but not sure if too many have stepped back to evaluate their impact.
I, for one, have seen enough trash content on Trending due to these bid bots to draw my own conclusion but sure plenty are on the fence still. I think tribes is no solution as the bid bots still maintain over the reward pool that dictates the extent by which users may use the Steem network resources (via RCs).
There are no problems that go away by ignoring them and that is what I believe to be happening with Tribes but that's a topic for another day.
Ultimately, I see bid bots as a form of collusive voting but it has been legitimized as Ned gave the business model a nod long ago (which imo was a leadership failure).
This isn't a black and white discussion and I understand but I have not seen one compelling argument as to why we suffer bid bots to exist when promotion is very much possible to implement in the front ends.
We get a front end that filters out bid bot users and has enough popularity. Think there is a good possibility we can see bid bots going the way of the dinosaur. That may be optimistic however as so much power is already concentrated with the bid bot - vote buyer side.
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I have no issue with people's dislike of bid-bots, I myself am one of those that believe they are bad for the growth of the Steem Block chain. At what price point do we expect large accounts to stop voting above for a single post? At 200,000 Steem Power a vote at current price would be $2.83, and at 500,000SP it is $7.60. So do we put a maximum allowable vote price on people? Do we limit the ability to cast a vote at a maximum value of only say $5.00? Those are today's prices, So at $5.00 it would not be difficult for a large account to manually curate, At higher values, then that becomes a problem.
I do not recall for sure, but it seems that bid-bots came about during a time when votes as a price value were being given in the $100.00 range. This upset a few people because they were not on the receiving end of those votes. So Bid-bots, then vote trails came about, I am not sure which was first, but they are both in my opinion not good for the financial standing of the Steem Block Chain.
The down vote is a "Tool", when it becomes a "Platform", then it is no better for the financial standing of the Steem Block Chain, than the bid-bots or un-monitored vote trails that cast votes on spam, and plagiarized content.
Threats, coercion, and extortion's are not the way to solve any problem. I have seen to many comments associated with down vote pools about If you interact with...you place your self in danger of being down voted, this type or similar are not about a group trying to do good for the Steem Block Chain, these types of comments come off as a group of people trying to control the behavior of people, and to enslave them to their will, their likes, their dislikes.
How long before we see those types of comments on post about "Nixon, Trump, Kennedy, Flat Earth, Muslims, Jewish People, Nazi's, UFO's, etcetera"
That is why we suffer bid-bots. That is why I have an issue with down vote pools. If a post is over valued in a persons opinion then down vote it for it being over valued in your opinion, not because they used bid-bots and vote trails to raise the value of the post.
I have seen people down vote post because of "conspiracy or belief", or life style choice, down vote pools are likely only to grow in power after HF21 if it is voted in, the problem is going to grow.
Buying votes is abuse. There's no better reason to flag than because they botted it up. Either society is human beings interacting, or it's not society. I don't expect us to agree, but wanted to point out that not everyone is going to say you're right.
I myself do not like bid-bots, or vote selling, but they are a fact on steemit and the steem block chain. The only way they will go away is if people stop using them, down voting a post because they used bid-bots to raise the value of their post is a valid reason for the down vote. You are not down voting the vote bot, you are down voting because some one used a vote bot to over value their post.
The down vote does no significant damage to the vote bot. I do not know how often the vote bots put post out because I do not use them, in fact I could not name a single vote bot right now. If they do put weekly or monthly reports out and people really do want to send a message to the vote bots then those post should be voted down by all the people that dislike the vote bots.
In general I do not like the down vote concept at all, it is an abusive system and an ineffective system. It has not solved a single issue at all on steem block chain. To down vote a post for what ever reason the down voter needs to accept responsibility for their action and a comment must be left or no down vote can be done. That will stop a lot of the abusive blind accounts from down voting, that will stop any auto script from blind down voting a post. people will be able to see who down voted the post. People will be able to take immediate action against the down voter if they so desired, fully understanding they will leave a down vote comment also.
I know people do not like the must leave a down vote comment in order to down vote, they don't like that idea because they do not want to accept responsibility for their actions. In one week all those annoying 25 REP down vote accounts would be less than 0 REP. No longer able to harm or cause grief to a new user.
Very few people if any at all would agree with me. I do not think I have received a single post comment at all when I mention a down vote needs to have an accompanying comment. I think so far I have averaged one down vote a year, that is how much I really do not like down votes. I have received plenty, not as many as you, but enough.
I have proposed a better solution than flags to get rid of vote bots, but no one wants to solve the problem that has the ability.
And, yeah, I don't like flags either LOL
Took the words right from my keyboard! On the other hand, this is a smartphone... not a computer... the trending stuff makes no sense to me as to why it is trending majority of the time. It is getting to a point of me posting less on here and more on instagram...
It's bad because it drains the reward pool, adds no content and sets a bad example for small accounts and newcomers.
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Yeah, I don't like it much either. I've flagged it a couple of times.
There is just so much flag worthy right now we should have 2 downvote pools. :)
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