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RE: Why whales are needed - and a proposal to insure the massive success of steemit, ie Subtractive Upvoting Gradient
I upvoted, but I don't see the issue you are describing playing out that often. The whales upvote what they like. There are times when another whale post something other whales like.
Creating a rule preventing someone (a whale) from voting how they wish is not something I can get behind. If it is a real issue that actually exist and actually causes a problem, I think the whales here at Steem will handle that manually themselves just fine.
From what I've seen here, especially on Slack, the whales discuss issues like this and a solution is agreed upon and then it just happens naturally without some hardcoded rule being put into place. I think the same thing will happen in this instance without forcing people to vote a certain way.
Even though it isnt happening, the rumors are spreading that steemit is a whale on whale upvote-fest. Also, the fact that slack has been closed to new members for weeks does not help the closed circle impression that really does exist outside the steemit community. I am sorry to bring the bad news that steemit isnt 100% perfect, but the first step to solving a problem is to admit that it exists.
Obviously you can't always rationally explain rumors but where is the evidence of this? I don't even see most whales posting at all, much less posting and getting undeserved votes from other whales. I do post comments pretty often and it is exceedingly rare they ever get votes from other whales.
there is no evidence of this at all, in fact I think a bigger issue is that most whales are relatively inactive, which is an issue that can hopefully be solved too.
The fact that there is no evidence against it is probably not good enough. Maybe if evidence to prove it isnt happening was made, that could help, but given the envy factor I think anything short of a proactive charity type of policy encoded in the algorithms, outsiders will just make stuff up to convince themselves steemit cant be real.
If you just go to places outside of steemit island you will hear people see the envy factor expressed as "unfair payouts" is the primary (only?) negative.
Okay I agree that rumors can be a real issue even if untrue. The rumor of whale-on-whale upvoting just surprises me since there isn't even grain of truth to it as far as I can tell. Most rumors start with something.
some preliminary stats have some interesting data, but I need some info on key block heights, will PM
If it isnt an issue in reality, then what is the downside for doing it? It will have tremendous positive PR effects.
Also whales are not prevented from upvoting anyone, the system would just reduce the power. This is already being done based on how many minutes from the initial post, how many others have upvoted, so its not like we are not already tweaking the voting power
There is a real issue of envy. Maybe as a whale you prefer not to see this, but yet it is there. Ask the people who started and then stopped posting on steemit. I imagine the majority will say the unfair payouts. [Yes, I know steemit still pays out more than any other blogging site, but people are strange sometimes]
So, if steemit can say that the entire system is biased so the upvoting flows downstream, this will go a long way toward reducing the envy factor