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RE: Debate Forum - Week 10 - Trade Agreements

in #ungrip7 years ago (edited)

The first thing that pops up when one looks into Scams, Schemes and such is the word Speculate and this "agreement" being done in secret cannot possibly be with the intent of benefiting "The People". I mean lets put this in terms of cars. Your car breaks down and you need it fixed only now the mechanic won't tell you what's wrong or what needs fixing. Why would you trust secrecy in this respect and why should anyone trust the need for secrecy over these agreements. Another important factor is that the parties that are supposed to benefit would naturally be present and informed, and since "The People" aren't present or informed the agreement doesn't concern them in the aspect of actually being a party of interest to the agreement, so in other words The People have nothing to agree to as they aren't invited to the agreement and by their exclusion it would be obvious that either The People have no interest in these agreements or their presence would render the agreements moot. What I think is happening is that, the "state" which is clearly a Franchise of the Federal, which is a Corporation, mostly foreign to the "state" are gathering to decide more or less how to skin the people. Trust is a great part of this because without it an agreement doesn't mean much of anything and since The People have been excluded it would be quite reasonable to conclude that these agreements posit the people as untrustworthy to actually agree, or that The People won't agree, circling back to this being another Scheme. In closing, what difference is between the "state" (I love that you felt you had to Air Quote that (; ) and "multi-national" corporation when in fact they are both charted corporations ran and funded by the same people, in effect the "state" Trustees are nothing more than the same old gang that signs the loans and funds and deals that "multi-national" corporations are and in a spectacle of Appearances they create the illusion/appearance of different entities in effort to gain the Trust of The People who ultimately are rightfully excluded from such agreements exactly how a mark is excluded from the details of how a con is ran.

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Actually Economy is the most fundamental institution of the society to run it in a functional way with honest intention. But in all these years our value system shattered and we become more greedy so this happened. Basically you're saying the secret agreements are straight away not at all beneficial for the masses, yes i do agree partially with your opinion my friend. Great Point indeed

I think you're mistaking Commerce for Economy. Yes in a way Economy is A fundamental institution of most societies if we were to forget that Religion trumps it in almost every society.

What has happened is that Commerce has always been what it is now, or MIGHT=RIGHT, with the great empire of the king POPE (who is king of commerce) "brokering" deals and agreements with natives everywhere which were merely the foot in the door to pillage and murder or enslave them. Commerce from the good ol' Romans who's word for taxes comes directly from their word for Tribes or Tribune/Tribute.

If it was for the benefit of the masses one would think that they were actually invited and welcomed in the discussions, like an agreement would work, and since you cannot agree to things that you're not aware of and we have no problem discerning exactly who the parties to the agreement are then the beneficiaries to the agreement are the ones present and I conclude that by this deceit/secrecy we are the sheep at the dinner table of wolves.

Exactly, we as a sheep on wolf's table is actually helping to prepare the food of wolfs, yes i loved your point. It means sheep has no way to go instead of wolfs's belly .. ;)
Ultimately, this all commerce and system of trade is beneficial for the wolfs
(Corporations/Governments)

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