Three Stupid, Annoying Things People Often Say When Defending Trump

in trump •  2 months ago

As things get even uglier in Syria I’m seeing some Trump supporters struggling to justify or dismiss the completely indefensible acts of human butchery that this administration has been inflicting upon that country. They’re arguments I’ve seen recycled in the MAGA crowd every time news breaks about the president once again continuing the reprehensible neoconservative policies of his predecessors and doing the exact opposite of what he pledged to do on the campaign trail, and I thought I’d like to address a few of them here.

For those unfamiliar with my work, I have written extensively about the many legitimate grievances that can be leveled at this administration here, here, here, here, and elsewhere. I have also written extensively about the completely illegitimate accusations that have been leveled against this administration here, here, here, here, and elsewhere. I don’t see Trump as good or helpful, let alone as the populist savior his supporters hold him to be, but I also don’t see him as the psychotic Nazi Putin puppet his detractors try to paint him as either, or even significantly different from his predecessors in any way that meaningfully impacts America’s policy and behavior. I would now like to write a bit about some of the bad arguments that are made in support of this administration.

I’m going to address a few arguments I see a lot which are just plain stupid, from a nonpartisan, non-ideological perspective. Depending on your personal opinions about immigration, fiscal policy and so on you’ll certainly have plenty of reasons to argue for or against the current administration; I’m not interested in addressing those here. I just want to focus on the few stupid, annoying arguments I keep seeing made in defense of the sitting president that are based entirely on bad logic and poor understanding, which stagnate real debate about real concerns. Here are three of them:

1. “ Hillary would have been worse.”

I happen to agree that Hillary Clinton would have been worse in some very important ways. Her campaign pledge to install a no-fly zone in an area where Russian military planes are conducting operations was horrifying and disqualifying, and she would have put less inertia on the war machine in a few key areas. Nevertheless, pointing this out is never, ever a legitimate defense of the things that Trump is doing.

Okay, sure, Hillary would have been worse. So what? How is that a legitimate response to someone condemning this administration’s nuclear escalations with Russia, keeping thousands of troops in Syria with the goal of effecting regime change, approving arms sales to Ukraine, working to shut down WikiLeaks and arrest Julian Assange, perpetuation of the Orwellian surveillance state, keeping troops in Afghanistan, escalating tensions with Iran and North Korea, etc? All you’re doing is disingenuously trying to take the target of criticism off the sitting president’s head and drag the conversation kicking and screaming into a moronic partisan debate about who would have been worse. You’re killing legitimate debate with an irrelevant red herring.

Responding to criticisms of this administration’s depravity with “yeah but Hillary” is like a lawyer trying to defend an accused murderer by pointing out that Jeffrey Dahmer did way worse. It’s stupid. It’s annoying. Stop doing it.

2. “Trump is playing 57-D chess!”


We’ve talked about this before. The above video depicts Cenk Uyger on MSNBC alongside Glenn Greenwald in 2010 ranting about the way Obama supporters were defending their president in exactly the same way the MAGA crowd defends Trump today.

“Because you remember what they told us: Obama’s a genius! I couldn’t possibly understand his genius — he’s playing three-dimensional chess!” Uyger exclaims in the eight year-old clip. “Well what part of three-dimensional chess do you give away your queen, your knight, your bishop, and the House of Representatives? No! They were wrong, we were right. It’s time to fight.”

Yes, it is time to fight. It’s time to stop defending your president’s nonstop capitulations to the swamp as some great feat of strategic wizardry.

While we’re on the subject, I often see Bernie people making the same “chess” argument about Sanders’ promotion of the new cold war and other dangerous establishment kowtowing. It’s not a legitimate defense of Sanders any more than it’s a legitimate defense of Trump now or Obama eight years ago.

There is a powerful unelected second government that is controlling the behavior of your elected officials, and by dismissing it as brilliant strategic maneuvering you are actively shoving that urgent problem out of the spotlight. It's stupid. It's annoying. Stop it.

3. "Trump is fighting the Deep State!"

No, he is not. Trump isn't fighting the deep state, he's collaborating with it. He's continued and expanded the same warmongering Orwellian policies as Bush and Obama, and he's playing right along with the deep state's new cold war escalations as well.



Trump isn't fighting the deep state, and the deep state isn't fighting him. There is no "coup". Everything has completely changed since certain factions within the FBI and CIA had agendas against him prior to his taking office. The leaks from inside the intelligence community during his transition and the early days of his administration have completely stopped. For many many months now whenever you hear about a new leak it's coming from congress, from inside the administration, or from people who interacted with his campaign.

The only people fighting Trump at this point are Democrats and Never-Trumpers, and that's not what the deep state is. The deep state is the unelected power establishment consisting of a loose and often conflicting collaboration between plutocrats (including war profiteers), intelligence and defense agencies, and the corporate media which serves as their propaganda wing. It is completely nonpartisan and uses America's elected government in whatever way will best advance its many agendas. The Democrats and John McCain types working to weaken Trump isn't a deep state agenda, it's normal politics.

This is a crucial distinction. Russiagate was constructed by the US intelligence community and pointed at Trump in 2016, but now that he's demonstrated he'll be a good little boy and play along with pretty much every one of their agendas they haven't been targeting him. They don't need to. They never cared about impeaching Trump, they cared about getting their new cold war and crippling the Russia-China tandem. Since they don't have to get the sitting president impeached to accomplish that (a very risky move anyway), they're content to work with him until the next presidential puppet rolls into office. It's the Democrats and their allies who are fueling the Trump-Russia collusion narrative at this point, not the deep state.

If you want to support Trump, that's fine, but don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. Don't tell me you support this president because he's working to overthrow the unelected power establishment which uses the US government as a weapon to advance its agendas. That argument is contradicted by the raw facts of everything that has happened in the last year. It's stupid. It's annoying. Stop it.


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Presidents don’t run the country
They are puppets....

You forgot my favorite one Caitlin he is "draining the swamp." Meanwhile, he pours in Goldman Sach's creatures that are working to crash the economy and rob average investors blind.. Yay go Trump!

https://steemit.com/news/@an0nkn0wledge/trump-s-administration-obstructs-justice-in-goldman-sachs-cases

Whenever military action against Syria is discussed, Raytheon stock goes up

All I can say is that we are in the bad position of depending on leaders. I hope someone reading this will take the time to see my postings. They are my attempt to put us in a better place. The moral of the story is that Trump, Hillary, Kissinger, these are all people who have magnitudes more power and influence than any of us. It is always just a crap shoot and hope for the best. We should be asking 1.How do we make leaders on this scale irrelevant. 2. Why do we have to play chess? 3. How do we the people undermine the “deep state” rather than “hope” Trump somehow tackles a movement active unseen for decades

Lots of Anons back trump knowing full well he is involved in many terrible things.

But we understand ego egomania and if enough people fed his ego he would burn the pedophile elite.

Just to be remembered as the best even if he robbed the U.S. blind.

Also we figured that the climate that Trump would create would awaken the masses.

And we were right about many things.

Look at how the pedophiles in hollywood and government are shitting themselves world wide.

They know that we are hunting them.

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The pedophile issue is most pressing to me.... the satanic ritual sacrifice, "Hunting"children, organ dealings- missing children... this is most heinous and if people can become awakened to this? AND the BS that has permeated our culture (aided by the powers that be)... Im good with that for four years of service. If that's all happening- Im thinking 8. MAGA? MAHA. Make America Honest Again...if we ever were....

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All anyone needs to do is find old articles and arguments from both sides of the political spectrum. If you compare people from both sides, at any point of their side being in power, the arguments are basically a copy/paste job....This is the only proof anyone needs to show what a dog and pony show the entire political system is. Your vote means nothing!

Frustratingly and hilariously spot on. Thank you Caitlin.

Unless we are proven otherwise in the near term, I agree with you on #3.

The 3 annoyances are instances of the same coping mechanism - "always look on the bright side of life". Or the even sillier maxim - "there’s a reason for everything."
But, to be fair, if we did not all live by these tropes we would commit suicide en masse and planet earth would continue doing whatever it does, without us.
For me, the real value of Trump is that he appears to be able to piss off certain public mouths that desperately need pissing off. But even this may be 3D Go, a hypothetical counterfactual, and a double deep state operation.

The sooner people realize both Dems and Repubs are the same, the sooner we will have change in this country. Defending someone's actions because they are on the same side, instead of standing up to principles is old all ready.

Another fine piece of work.

Thank-you, thank-you, thank-you for all your work. Why is it so hard to have any decent, mature, intelligent debate in politics anymore?

It’s like listening to people argue Coke v. Pepsi 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

  1. It a legitimate defense when all that is offered up prior is all the reasons you gave, their wasn't a third option to fall back on, there was A and there was B, when all that is left is comparison then comparison then the better of the two comparisons will be your answer.

2)Trumps capitulations to the swamp gave the manufacturing base here a edge up on global competition. This wasn't about caring anymore about who was rich it was about who was getting poorer and by what means. Taking money back from the government, giving it back to corporation by lowering their capitol gains enabled many of them to increase wages in the pockets of citizens not the pockets of government to determine how to give it back to the citizens. It's not a chess game it's turning the tide.

  1. Lots of people use known phrases or terminology for lack of better words or wording....we aren't being politically correct around here anymore either.

Go chump!

He is a real hero fighting the deep state :)

Trumps boat is in the same swamp that he pretends to be draining.

Trump sure will try to get rid of Clinton and he should, but after that he is 'The swamp thing'

I hope i'm wrong but i very much doubt that... Once he defeated Clinton he will be tired, and leave the swamp the swamp.

Donald, when you read this. Try to prove me wrong. Make the USA a part of the EU. O wait, please don't... Never mind.

The trickle down should start any day now...
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Been looking at geo politics full time now for 6+ years and although opinions are everywhere no one seems to use common sense, logic, and facts in their opinions. Look at the individual and not the party. Look at what they say they will do in office and then what they did.

Ask yourself why politicians you glorify making 100k to 200k a year and 5 years later are worth 50 million but never took the time to explain to you or the people that voted for them how to do it.

The left is all about globalism, sounds great but few know what it means.

Ever read agenda 21 or agenda 2030 you can read it on the fema site then come back and say you still want this path..

What do we need to globalize..
One world currency
One world religion
Economic and living standard equalization.

6 billion on the planet, 3 billion making under 2 dollars a day, another 1 billion making under the average of Mexico. Do the math of what equalization will do to your standard of living. It wont be pretty.

But the ones that led you there will still have their millions that is if the UN lets them keep it and does not think it would be better drained into the coffers of equalization. A person that has 300 million in wealth is a lot for 1 person but with 300 million in the USA its but 1 dollar a person.

So keep cheering for this kind of life and I will see you on skid roe.