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in #threespeak7 years ago

The Jews benefit the most from a Saudi-US alliance turning Iran into slag. The Jews have been lobbying hard for the US to turn Iran into another Iraq for the past decade without much success. With Syria in chaos, Iraq dismembered, Saudi stuck in Yemen quagmire, and Egypt neutered, the time for Jewish ascendency is at hand.

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If Israel wanted Iran turned into slag it could easily do it itself.
It is far more powerful militarily in the Middle East than the US, Saudi and Russia put together.

But actually Israel has been very soft on Iran because Jews and Persians have a close friendship lasting more than 2500 years.

Israel wants to overthrow the regime enslaving Iranians without hurting the Persian people.

Yes, Israel has nuclear weapons. So the idea that Iran is a threat to America and the world is a sad joke.

I have no problem with Israel handling its own business. But that's not reality. The US is drawn into the region and fights conflicts on behalf of countries in the region and special interests.

Americans at home do not want to fight any wars for Saudi, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Israel or Turkey. The slaughter in Yemen by the Saudis could not take place without US support with arms, diplomatic cover and naval blockade.

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I agree with much of what you say.

Israel does not want and does not benefit from US wars in the Middle East.
The US just makes a big mess because it doesn't understand the region and has always been crap at land wars (it is a naval power, not a land power) and asymetric wars.

Israel warned the US against the Iraq war (because it would empower Iran) and the Syrian civil war has turned a border that was peaceful for 40 years into a front line.
Israel has zero interest in Yemen. US involvement is about protecting oil supplies.

This all isn't to say that other Israeli officially didn't warn the US not to go after Saddam. Lawrence Wilkerson confirmed that. All governments have different factions within them. Sharon also urged the US to go to war. But his intelligence officials suggested otherwise.

That isn't completely true.

The Likud Party in Israel wanted Saddam removed and Syria destabilized. They also wanted Gaddafi gone. A think tank wrote two policy papers in the that were penned and signed by Americans with Israeli citizenship that went on to work within the Bush administration. They were members of the Likud Party and express their goals for the century.

So to say that "Israel does not want and does not benefit from US" is inaccurate. The government of Israel does. Much like the government of the US does too. But the PEOPLE in both nations suffer greatly. Along with the Arab and Persian populations of the region.

One is called "A Clean Break" and the PDF is here

The second is "Coping with Crumbling States" and the PDF is found here

The documents lay out policies for the incoming Netanyahu government.

Your timing is all wrong.
These papers were written well AFTER the Iraq War (2005 & 2009).
They represent trying to make the best of the situation after the US invasion, not an encouragement to invade.

Also two American Israelis do not represent the views of the Israeli government.
Plenty of senior Israelis were warning against the second Gulf War.

The Gulf War preparations started in 2002 with hostilities breaking out on 20 March 2003, less than 4 weeks after Ariel Sharon (Likud) formed the 30th government on 28 February 2003.
For all the prior 4 year period Labor had been in government.

It is quite wrong to suggest Likud influence had anything to do the US decision to invade Iraq.

They were absolutely written in 1996 by David Wurmser for the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies. The study group was lead by Richard Perle before Bibi's first term in office. The dates on the PDFs are from when they were created....

They were both written in 1996.

It's quite amazing that you'd suggest that Likud had no influence when there have been hundreds of books written on the subject, and the documents I noted you are not familiar with. The documents explain the coming year 2000, and reference 1996 in the present tense.

Of the following list:

Douglas Feith went on to head the "Office of Special Plans" within Dick Cheney's office. He was indited for espionage by the FBI for passing US intel to Israel through AIPAC.

I quote a famous investigative report called "The Spies that Pushed for War" that outlines Feith's involvement directly with Israeli intelligence:

"The OSP was an open and largely unfiltered conduit to the White House not only for the Iraqi opposition. It also forged close ties to a parallel, ad hoc intelligence operation inside Ariel Sharon's office in Israel specifically to bypass Mossad and provide the Bush administration with more alarmist reports on Saddam's Iraq than Mossad was prepared to authorise.

"None of the Israelis who came were cleared into the Pentagon through normal channels," said one source familiar with the visits. Instead, they were waved in on Mr Feith's authority without having to fill in the usual forms.

The exchange of information continued a long-standing relationship with Mr Feith and other Washington neo-conservatives had with Israel's Likud party."

I find it confusing how you state that Sharon's comments took place after the war started, and didn't mention Bibi's. Also, ignoring the way wars are fought, that there is planning to goes into the war prior to invasion.

This scandal is well documented and only a biased view of the events or a lack of research would lead you to believe that Likud had no influence within the Bush administration.

Here is also Bibi in front of Congress explaining how removing Saddam would have "enormous positive reverberations on the region".

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