RE: Circle Jerks - Let's Talk About It
Sure, i get where youre coming from and what this is related to but go read this if you want more clarification as to whats going on in the case people have mentioned to you.
https://steempeak.com/abuse/@lordbutterfly/time-to-deal-with-the-circlejerks-the-slowwalker-broncnutz-dobartim-czechglobalhost-jerkathon
Its not them upvoting friends... its them trading votes. Huge difference.. But even if you put all that aside and say:
Well, its not clear cut abuse... i cant honestly downvote...
The fact still remains that they ADMIT to circle jerking and trading votes. They admit to not voting honestly or even caring about the other persons content. They vote to trade votes. To get voted back..
Even if you dismiss any and all arguments for "circle jerking" them admitting to it should be enough....
That is the beautfy of decentralaztion, if you disagree with what they are doing you can downvote them. I did not name any names in my video, I speak with my actions. But, if it is obvious vote trading that is abusive to Steem, then that is something to look closely at.
I still believe it comes down to the value of said content. If someone makes a post that would normally make 100$ if they didnt "trade votes" but only gets 20$, and then gets lowered to 10$ because of downvotes due to vote trading, that becomes a very odd system IMO.
I don't see "vote traders" making great content, because if they did, they wouldn't need to trade votes. So, with vote trading comes greed, and with greed comes downvotes. So, it becomes reward farming at that point, because they are just voting crap.
Sure, but we both follow hot topics on Steem so im pretty sure what this is about. lol
Vote traders indeed arent great content creators. If im honest theres barely a dozen really good content creators on the whole platform, but thats not here nor there.
What the guys that people are going after now are doing is as close to spam you can get without having your content being called spam.
Still... Im saying, disregard all that which can be seen as subjective and ask them. I did ask them and i provided screenshots in the post i linked. They admit that they trade votes and vote dishonestly.
If theyre admitting to it, how is that any different then what bots have been doing? How is that any different from excessive self voting?
Its not.
I agree if people are openly vote trading blindly, that is not good for steem or proof of brain. People that do such behavior will be under a lot of scrutiny , especially since bid bot abuse has all be died out.
--->@acidyo
Check out what hes dealing with. He could use some help.
The point of getting rid of vote selling wasnt in hurting the stake holders behind it but rather get them to change their ways and still profit from Steem.
That has been achieved.
Same goes for the slowwalker/broncnutz/dobartim circlejerk.
I dont want those guys to leave, i want them to profit, but profit in the way that isnt destructive to everyone else (and even to themselves in the long run).
For those that hate whales and think they are bad for steem, i disagree with that greatly.
I gave the analogy of the Duke on Milano without whom there would be no "Last Supper" by Da Vinci, which is one of the most famous pieces of art in human history.
We need whales, we need patrons, they will be the ones that will at a point in future help create "That great piece of art." That great creator. Id give you the example i dmed you about a few months ago if you remember. Where in the end a whale did patron the creation of a great piece of content imo.
You know this, i see what you do with 3speak.
What we do not need is whales farming steem and voting dishonestly.
People pay attention to how people vote and who's voting, not just the amount. That's just human nature. I could stick two comparable posts side-by-side with the same rewards, and come to entirely different conclusions about them based upon the voting that took place.