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RE: Sam Harris- Trump, Reparations, Manifestos, Fox News
Listened through this full conversation earlier today. Sam remains my favourite public intellectual and such a calming and refreshing source of reason in an age of moral panic, petty quarrels and irrational behaviour across the political spectrum.
Highly recommend anyone to take some time off, make a cup of tea, sit somewhere quiet and listen to this whole conversation.
As for what I liked the most, how well it demonstrates that you can be very much opposed to far left anti-free speech, de-platforming, anti-science, thought-policing, identity politics-driven, jargon without failing to also criticize Trumpism.
Can you please define the last paragraph for me? What does all of that crap mean?
It refers to the portion of the left who believes that it is justifiable or positive to silence, threaten or smear the reputation of people whose ideas they disagree with. Whether it is members of Antifa who will use violence or the threats of it to cancel speaking events, the Southern Poverty Law Center putting people they disagree with on hit lists, or generally working to prevent people from sharing their ideas in public.
Also the identity politics of the far left that considers people's gender, ethnicity or sexual orientation as relevant information in a conversation, job recruitment or in policy.
First of all, it's all anti-liberal. Second, it is not helping achieve the necessary change(s) where the left needs to win on topics such as climate change, worker rights, getting money out of politics, etc.
The first thing you mentioned is called "free speech". When someone doesn't like someone else, they can use their speech to make things happen. No one has a right to make money speaking at colleges, if the students at that college don't want them, it's perfectly fine to tell them to fuck off.
It's a free speech issue that I'm not getting paid by fox to speak on their airwaves. I'm being censored! Help!
That argument is rubbish and makes no sense.
Affirmative action is bad now? You realize this was put into place to ensure that minorities weren't fired or ignored for everything, right? This also makes no damn sense.
You, and Sam Harris, make mountains out of molehills. There's absolutely nothing wrong with boycotts, and free speech on the left. Name one left politician who has put forth legislation to silence speech. I can name hundreds of right politicians who have tried to do that, but 0 left ones.
WHY? Because Leftists are in favor of freedom and righties aren't. Get your head out of your ass, tyvm
I think you missed the part where I said I am for policies on the left. Have been my whole life.
And no, it is not very productive to counter speech with violent protests, defamation and smear attacks. Let people speak. The best cure for bad ideas is to bring them to the surface and then beat them in public with better counter arguments.
The student protests only allow idiots like Milo and Ben Shapiro to get more attention than they deserve through being some form of martyrs. Silencing others on the far right only pushes them into echo chambers that breed extremists... It is not very progressive.
"Threats" the way you describe them do not exist.
Milo is literally broke and begging for money on twitter, his life and career is over, we beat him. Ben Shapiro is a rich millionaire that gets paid thousands of dollars for his own radio show, he doesn't need to speak at colleges for attention. You're lying.
I'm not on fox news every minute of every day, that means they are censoring me!!! Help! As a human, I need to be paid thousands of dollars to speak at all times otherwise I'm being censored!!!
You are either lying, or buying the lies of others. This narrative does not exist outside of fiction. Right wingers are anti free speech, pretending lefties are in any capacity is what makes you delusional. One side is trying to force us to pledge loyalty to israel, the other is fighting for human rights of Palestinians. GFY
Lol. People like you are the reason Trump may still win in 2020🤷♂️
The classic "i lost the argument so let me run and hide" move.
Reminder you are censoring me by not paying me to talk. This is your logic, not mine.
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No. You didn't even answer my arguments above. If Milo is broke and whether or not Shapiro is rich is not relevant information. If colleague conservatives want to invite them to speak then let them. You don't beat their bad ideas (and yes, I am with you in saying that they have shitty ideas) by shouting them down, adding security costs to the organizers through threatening demonstrations, etc. You win by allowing people to speak, and then point out how their logic fails and propose better arguments in return.
Secondly, I said this only results in them getting more attention when the demonstrations and outrage results in something newsworthy. Where they then get to go on Fox, other networks, or share YouTube videos documenting the protests. It doesn't help you win, it helps them win.
Finally, I said "winning" by silencing people with different ideas only deterres people into dark web corners that breeds far right extremists. So it is also just a stupid thing to do if you believe in liberal values.
Oh, and stop self-voting your own comments. It looks stupid with the new reward curve and free downvotes, and it is not very liberal thing to do when there are good creators here who bring real value.