RE: Istanbul's gypsy quarters or life beyond the law
Hi there @rosy440, this is a fairly detailed look and you have some interesting pictures and observations. I do get the very clear sense however, that the overall tone is not neutral. There is a clear and relentless flow of criticism of, even prejudice towards, the Roma way of life that runs through your post. The picture I get from your presentation is a negative one - you highlight what is 'wrong' with them. What you say about them seems to betray how you feel about the issue. Is there nothing positive to be said about them? I'm not talking about Ottoman times, but now. It is not an easy issue to get a balanced view of, accepted! Perhaps you have personal experiences that influence how you perceive them, I do not know!
Apart from the lack of any celebration of the Roma, what I consider missing from this 'analysis' is the history of persecution that the Roma have been subjected to, and which seems reflected in attitudes towards the Romany people in modern Turkish society. They may have had special status in Ottoman times, but things seems to have changed. Check out this article from a 'Romany' perspective entitled The Perception of Gypsies in Turkish Society. Your conclusions seem to be that they are unwilling to integrate. Isn't the message of the video - which is the final thing you leave the reader with - "look gypsies steal even from those who are trying to help them!" ??
Gypsies/Roma have always been easy targets and scapegoats. Their insularity may also be seen as a defence against a world that refuses to leave them in peace and continues to violently try and force them to submit! To blame them for their insularity and way of life is to ignore centuries-old pain....to do so is to perpetuate the hate, the prejudice, and it does nothing to ease any of the social 'problems' that you discuss.
The conclusion that The Perception of Gypsies in Turkish Society comes to is:
"The common characteristic of the negative images and prejudices about Gypsies is their reference to what is different between Gypsies and the remainder of societies in which they live. The common point of these historically produced images and prejudices is the representation of Gypsies as strangers."
Regards
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I think you exaggerated a lot when introducing gypsies as scapegoats and percecuted. It is the other way round - the ottomans were using them to do their dirty jobs.
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Turkish_Genocides_-_The_massacre_on_the_Bulgarian_population - Turkish Genocides: The massacre on the Bulgarian population
https://attackingthedevil.co.uk/related/macgahan.php - The Turkish Atrocities in Bulgaria: Horrible Scenes at Batak
and worth to mention, gypsies were there as main criminals, which is documented.
Sweet comment...compared to the next one anyway LOL.
@barge, Thank you very much for your attention! I treat all people very well. I wish all lived together. Understanding and freedom should be an integral part of modern society;)
I hear what you state @rosy440, but your post on gypsies seems to tell a different version and a different story, as stated in my comment. I am saying that I do not see this (treat well, wish all live together, understanding and freedom). When I read your article (and I did so twice), I got the impression you do not like the Roma. In other words, it seems as if your post embodies aspects of the very prejudice that Gypsies have faced, including blame towards them. This is what I am saying.
@barge, I understand you. I described how it related to the Gypsies of the Turkish people.
The stinky gypsy rat demand you declare your admiration for gypsies publicly. He ignores the fact that you have full right to like or dislike.
In fact he is humiliating you.
Why do you submit to the gypsy humiliation woman?
Your opinion is your opinion, and it is well documented.
It is NOT his business to tell you what to do.
Fucking Western feminists cannot open their mouth for self defence but go to be raped from migrants like Lilly who-was-her-shitty-name.
Now fuck off, easy gypsy meat. Gosh, you fell down o much to justify your DICUMENTED article in front of a dirty criminal gypsy demanding your obedience?