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RE: How to Cope with Stress (Part 2)
Lol. I knew it. Philosophers always try to cause trouble! That's why I have never liked these guys. :D
Lol. I knew it. Philosophers always try to cause trouble! That's why I have never liked these guys. :D
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Oh, no, the sad face. OK. I don't like some philosophers. Like Schopenhauer :)
What's wrong with him? He's stylistically superb with a wit that's sharper than ... well he'd know what analogy to use here, cos he's witty. Just because he likes to sprinkle his philosophy with some melancholy here and there is not a sufficient cause for derision :(
I am fooling around :D
To be honest, I am not very familiar with him. I don't know much about his work except for ONE thing - his view of women. Perhaps this is the main reason why I have put him in my blacklist :D On the first page to be exact :P
Ah, yeah, he was a famous misogynist. And, in his case, unlike many others, he can perhaps own the term. Cos unlike Hamlet, Nick Cave, or Nietzsche, etc., who said (or sang) negative things about women because of hurt and a very strong romantic streak that got frustrated by how real women compare to the ideal, Schopenhauer instead was very rational about it, saw the matter very practically, and in a sense wisely, since at least he found a way to live with it and get the better of the situation, instead of getting lost in booze and nihilism like Bukowski or somebody like that!
Oh, I see that you have distinguished some of the adaptive and the maladaptive coping strategies here :D
Well, yeah, at least he made his point and stood by it. However, I can't help it but wonder how is it possible to be such a high intellectual on one side and such a primitive (meaning immature) human being on the other?
Actually, I have an answer. Intelligence and emotional intelligence are two very different things. If one cannot manage their emotions they blur their vision. Thus, they become quite irrational in their thoughts and behavior.
So, I just called Sheupenhaur, Nietzsche, and Bukowski immature and primitive. That's a huuuge buzz :P
😑 touché
How did the US founding fathers own slaves? How did the world's greatest intellectuals of 100 years ago believe in God? How did all of Ancient Greece agree that the term 'human' (andras meant human and man/male at the same time) should not be applied to women?
A closer engagement is needed with the texts of these philosophers and writers to understand why they said those things. In Zarathustra, Nietzsche ends a passage where he talks about women by saying 'perhaps anything said about women can seem plausible' ('with women nothing is impossible') He perfectly well understands that any psychoanalysis will sound plausible if enough rhetoric is put behind it. But even in that terrible and misleading translation I linked to (the passage is quite short and easy to read, give it a go!) still some wisdom shines through.
The most famous line is the last one, about the whip. I can't recount how many times older women have given me the same advice, and younger women, who will refute it with their words, verify it with their actions. I think women should get together and solve their issues (they're very often very anti-feminist themselves) and only then they should get around to consciousness-raising the men!
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Lol, I knew that a long comment will follow :D
People say, one shouldn't play with bees 'cause they sting. I should have listened :D
I liked this line the most. It made me laugh out loud :) All my life I thought I am not a mean person. I even thought that it would be much easier for me if I was a little meaner for a change :D However, I was wrong. Nietzche has figured me out a century ago :)
Oh, have you guys (meaning men) had this men-issues meeting already? I must have missed it :D
Jokes aside. Nietzsche and Sheupenhaouer obviously left a rich heritage to the world. However, whenever human beings are discussed there should be no place for generalizations and stereotyping. I find it pointless to talk about all the women and all the men in the world from all centuries because I will always be wrong. I don't identify with Nietzche's or Schopenhauer's women, neither do I identify with many women from the 21st century. I am pretty sure you don't identify with the slave owners either, nor you identify with your neighbor (for example) and stand by his beliefs just because he happens to be a man.
I don't call myself a feminist because I am not very sure what it means anymore. People have misused and abused the word for so long that I find it to be just a hollow label now.
It is funny that I have been given the same advice regarding men. And I have had the same experience with men you had with women :D Lol. Some men love to be whipped, others love to whip. However, I am pretty sure that there are many men and women out there who exclude whipping from their repertoire :D
As far as honor is concerned, yeah, there must have been some kind of honor (or why not exclusive men's honor) in Nietzche's world but I doubt that it still exists in our capitalistic - opportunistic 21st century. Which I find to be very sad, actually. But what would a woman know about honor, right, Nietzsche? Or everything is possible with women?
But what are we doing now? Are we discussing Nietzsche and Schopenhauer in 19th-century or we discuss them from the 21st-century perspective?
It's been great fun and pleasure talking to you, Alexander! We should carry it on Discord! :)