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RE: what's worth more?
the problem is simple actually.
We produce things for profit instead of for need.
We need to eradicate capitalism to solve these problems.
the problem is simple actually.
We produce things for profit instead of for need.
We need to eradicate capitalism to solve these problems.
I think that capitalism is definitely the issue here...but I don't think that socialism or communism are the solutions. Mainly because these were concepts created in a very old world. The modern world has unbelievably greater communication tools than during the time that these concepts were created. We need to create new solutions for the new world.
I think even just a simple jobs program leveraging the new communications tools at our disposal would be immeasurably more effective than in previous generations. We could more effectively make use of people's skills by putting them in jobs that require them, increasing production to an incredible degree.
If we were to create some sort of system to track people's wants and needs and effectively place them into jobs that fit their wants and skills, it might not even be necessary to get rid of capitalism. We could still use a monetary system of some type to deal with control of limited resources, but I'm not certain it's even required necessarily when you combine it with a system of credit that's accurately run based on skill.
Basically you just put people in jobs that they do well in and will enjoy and give them whatever they need, as well as many things they want, and they would be naturally inclined to continue working, to ensure they get the things they want, without being so overworked they can't use them, as they often are these days.
"I think even just a simple jobs program leveraging the new communications tools at our disposal would be immeasurably more effective than in previous generations. We could more effectively make use of people's skills by putting them in jobs that require them, increasing production to an incredible degree."
You mean like project cybersyn in socialist chile?
first things first. Can you define socialism or communism? I have a feeling you can't
"Basically you just put people in jobs that they do well in and will enjoy and give them whatever they need, as well as many things they want, and they would be naturally inclined to continue working, to ensure they get the things they want, without being so overworked they can't use them, as they often are these days."
That sounds exactly like the idea behind communism. Let me give you a hint, lenin and stalin were class traitors and communism and anarchism have a much deeper history than just the ussr
The difference in my example would be in implementation...and that it's basically just a jobs program. Really, it's not even that necessarily. My example could be implemented as an app of sorts, where it just finds you jobs, like if you were a temp worker kinda.
In the previous implementations of communism, you would be assigned a job, and not necessarily have much of a choice.
I was just talking about using technology to determine the optimal job for individuals, which would naturally decrease the number of individuals who are underemployed and therefore increase production.
alright first of all
Who do you think supports getting assigned a job without any choice. That's one of the major flaws we point out in capitalism . That is neo-liberal propaganda all the way through
"ndividuals who are underemployed and therefore increase production."
we have enough labor for everyone. We use violence to stop people from doing work through systems like capitalism
"If we were to create some sort of system to track people's wants and needs and effectively place them into jobs that fit their wants and skills, it might not even be necessary to get rid of capitalism. We could still use a monetary system of some type to deal with control of limited resources, but I'm not certain it's even required necessarily when you combine it with a system of credit that's accurately run based on skill."
Capitalism is not money. Capitalism is private ownership of the means of production. Market socialism has money, but no capitalism. Even as far left wing as collectivist anarchism has some monetary system.
"communism is bad, so let's instead have socialism until we have communism but I didn't say the names so it doesn't count"
Communism has never been implemented, so we have no idea if it's really bad. We only know that fascism/nationalism sucks.
that is most definitely neo-liberal propaganda.
In many situations throughout history anarchism/communism were literally the only viable option.
If communism didn't work then why does the US have to invade and disrupt every communist movement, even in other countries?
Here is a link on just some of the situations it has worked, in the form of a book explaining each aspect individually.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-anarchy-works
Also what you said at the end was basically the goal of communism. Communism is simply worker control of the means of production, nothing more to it. That situation can only happen if the workers control the means of production and use it for their own needs.