RE: Proof of Consent of Participants and the Danger Click-bait F'U Posts.
While you proved my ONE assumption wrong in regards to not getting the permission of the users you featured.. I still very much stand behind my thoughts that you selling other users sex appeal with permission or otherwise is juvenile. You're writing this post like I've just targeted you for pleasure... <_<
Start up some new games. Be my guest. But fuck if I'll let you all parade around making money off of other peoples pictures while pitting them against each other. Not only morally is it wrong, but you've little to no consideration of the emotional fallout these type of games have on people.
Regardless on if they consented or not.
All this being said. I'm not here to start a war, a pissing competition or any other ill-willed shit.
This is a morality check.. What you and steemsports do is nothing more than opportunistic capitalism at the expense of others, using others pictures and sex appeal for profits.
The parts of my accusation that are infact true:
You posted a picture of a 16 year old Mrs. Steemit and duped the community into voting for the sexiness of a minor.
Little to no consideration has been given to anyones feelings here, regardless of if they consented to be part of your childish games our not. Atleast one of the reactions from the losing party was very clearly that of hurt.
The part I fucked up on:
- I figured you hadn't got permission from Mrs.Steemit given the fact she commented "wow those pics are so old" and supplied you with current ones. I made an assumption, I was wrong. My other 2 points are still valid.
@kyle people don't need you to be the police for their feelings , you seem to be the one with your feelings hurt. If someone gives permission to be in the game they should know it is only a game and be able to handle if they lose.
Well said, @halo. Thanks again for being a long-time member of this community spreading little red kisses throughout the comments. :)
Tell that to Craig Grant... He was pretty upset when people started making fun of his body. Can't help but think that wouldn't have happened had he not been subjected to these "games".
These style of posts are juvenile, exploitative and run by people who frankly don't give a shit about anything but money. The very fact this type of shit exists and seemingly flourishes on this platform is all the more reason for people like me who actually give a fuck about people's feelings to speak out.
I get it @halo.. It's free advertising to you. It feels nice to be voted the prettiest girl I'm sure..
But am I the only god damn one taking into consideration the blow to self esteem the loser takes in all of this? Certainly looking like it, Ya'll are to busy getting STEEM pennies to give a shit. :/
Maybe it's time to stop digging yourself deeper and deeper into that hole
I can understand how someone could be against these match ups and I can understand where you are coming from when you say that these contest are juvenile and all that. Personally I don't really care if the people facing each other agree to it.
But I will admit to everyone on here that once these Steemy contest began I figured it was only a matter of time before they placed me against @ned. For those of you who have been following my blog I have exposed myself several times on here and those pictures would be fair game in the competition against @ned. Do you guys still feel like I have a chance to win?
For those of you who got a laugh out of this please follow me @brianphobos
10/10 would bang. :D
"wait, whut"
Hahahah, It's getting STEEMY!!! LOL
edit: How do you link to certain times on youtube..?
The whole start of this video is needless till the part buffalo bill says the koute above. :P
Note: KLYE does NOT endorse keeping people in holes...
Crossdressing however is cool though if it makes you feel sexy. :D
@kyle even if i was to lose and there is always a chance of that I would not be upset. when I started steemit I had people saying rude stuff to me all the time , I have dealt with it my whole life, but I don't cry about it. There will always be haters. I am sorry Craig Grant had his feelings hurt , but he is a grown man and should be able to handle a little criticism. He also knew before giving permission that he could lose. It is just a game it is not life or death.
You're right.. It's not life or death.. I do understand your point..
How long until we're doing big dick competitions on here then I guess? Because really opening up this pandoras box of primitive degeneracy is just going to lead to that. :(
You did get some pretty nasty shit said to you.. :/ Kudos to you for having strong shoulders to bare the bullshit of the internet. Sadly not everyone is as confident nor self secure as you.
Haters gonna hate, and regardless of how I seemingly come off I'm not actually a hater. I just don't want to see the platform diminished to a game of "who has the bigger titties" for the profits of the asshats hosting such silly games. :(
"These style of posts are juvenile, exploitative and run by people who frankly don't give a shit about anything but money."
I must admit that I am of a similar mind, however as essentially your argument is based on moral grounds which are not universally held by everyone, then I'm afraid your argument fails. It is exactly the same argument made by the guy who was morally outraged by the porn star woman and wanted to ban it. What was your position on that debate because it is exactly the same argument?
What I would say though is that a solution would be to have gambling and porn sections compartmentalised somehow away from the main page - much better still on a sister site or something. I agree that these 2 particular topics are not suitable for the main landing page. This is not about censorship as they would have their own uncensored blockchain and then we don't have to worry about whether these posts need tagging or censoring etc - Steemit would then too remain uncensored.
Steemit is about blogging and engaging others in conversation and such.
There is no real engagement in gambling and porn.......it needs its own sister site in my view. Just to re-iterate - this would not constitute censorship, just tidying things up and separating Steemit chains - both would remain uncensored. I mean think about it, most people don't appreciate going to a coffee house to have a chat and to be tempted by gambling and having dicks waved in their faces - let's show a bit of decorum.....lol
Eh, there isn't really an argument here.. Simply people doing shady things (my opinion) and other people calling them out on it.
Your post makes a hell of a lot of sense and it's nice to know at least a small army of users feel exactly as I do in regards to this stuff.
I think what you propose could be done on the same chain but with serious segregating of categories.. Because anyone can build a browser for the blockchain and all content from all sites would show up on it..
Anyways. Thank you for the laugh:
I literally lol'd. Thank you for that. :)
yes no probs mate. I get all fired up about things that get on my tits too....lol. I understand where you are coming from. Btw, the word"argument" has two different meanings, the first is a heated/angry exchange, whereas the second is the reasoning used to support an idea or theory - I meant the second meaning which is more commonly used in philosophical type debates.......you can probably guess I'm English......lol.
Maybe we could put this proposal to the vote, then nobody can argue (second meaning) on the grounds of either lack of consensus or censorship.......we've got this . Take care mate.
Exactly. Trying to decide for other people what hurts their feelings and what they should be ok with and stuff is really twisted imo.
To me it seems like @klye went all guns blazing with an assumption and turned out to be wrong, and rather than just apologize is trying to hang on to the idea that there's legit something to be upset about.
@klye, did you "use people for profit" when members of the community here donated money to help keep a roof over your head?
I always find it weird when people act like there's something inherently evil about profit. Profit CAN be made in shady ways, but then whatever you were doing would be shady in its own right, doing it "for profit" isn't relevant to the nature of the behavior. Kind of like how you accepted payment for the post you made, but what was wrong of you was that you spread false information, not per se that you did it for profit.
They are making so much profits it's draining on the steem pool which effects all of us ! 😉
How much?
I should have said I'm concerned more about the reward pools which are being drained ! The rest of all this banter and childish behavior with flagging wars going on does not interest me and has no place on steemit ! I'm not commenting on either side ! And do not have anything else to add , other then what I commented above , here's a link to where I got that information from ! It's all I care about ! And the last I want to say or comment on this subject ! Steem on ♨ https://steemit.com/witness-category/@fyrstikken/the-big-voting-game-change-proposal
Well theoretically you earn rewards commensurate to how much value you're bringing to the community, it's not zero-sum where the community is worse off whenever somebody earns a lot of rewards.
You can make the case that steemsports doesn't provide enough value to justify the rewards they get and encourage people to stop voting for them. But accusing them of moral wrongdoing as @klye has done is silly.
Well said, where have you been all this time!!? Profit is never bad, we should encourage people to make profits on our platform and not show there is a potential ceiling, what business will come here if they see other businesses only have a pre-determined earnings ceilings. Would Coca-cola be chased out of here for vote buying if they gave out free Cokes to every voter on their posts? Things are getting crazy here fast, we need some relaxation and calm.
@kyle I don't understand your frustration over this if both people give permission.
It's a matter of they are using you for profit in short..
Perhaps I'm a little less inclined to watch people get hurt by losing these types of games. :/
"Using" people who give their consent to it.
You could consider that people have their own various reasons to want to be in the contest, such as publicity on the site, and don't feel "exploited" at all.
It's still very much people being profited off of and exploited no matter how you slice or perceive it, yay capitilism. I get the advertising and marketing side of it, absolutely..
But at the end of the day I still feel it's petty bullshit cooked up with the sole intention of attracting whale votes using others sex appeal.
Welcome to humanity, klye!
Life is give and take. The way I see it, if both parties of a "transaction" get what they want out of it, without stepping on the (human) rights of others, it's an all out win.
Whether or not a third party perceives some exploitation in the deal, well, that's for them to exhaust over. The world keeps spinning, regardless.
You have your own perspectives on morality. They differ from others. If someone in the community came to you directly and said, "@klye, please help me. I'm being abused by this community you're a part of. Please raise some awareness to help me and stop this abuse." then your argument would be valid one.
Did that happen?
Did you instead take it upon yourself to define what is right and what is wrong for everyone else, regardless of their own personal consent? Isn't that a bit "juvenile"? The people involved here are adults. Let's let them be.
If I'm wrong for raising my concerns, the point of this platform is lost on me.
I'm wrong for pointing out the community was duped into voting on the attractiveness of an underage girl..? whut?
I'm wrong for trying to minimize potential hurt in people when their self esteem gets trashed because people are making fun of them because of some stupid ass cash grab game..? really?
While no one directly came out and was like "oh no, I am hurt" it was there. I saw it. And I'm CERTAINLY not the only person on this platform that is fucking sick of seeing steemsports on the front page.
My opinion is my opinion. Clearly some disagree with it. That's fine. I'm not here to teach anyone anything they already shouldn't know.. :/
If you're upset about steemsports, write a post about steemsports. Ask the community to stop voting for their posts. If you persuade people with reason and logic, problem solved. If not, you are over ruled by SP weighted majority decision. You have no recourse other than to get over it, leave, restate your case again, or become your own whale and flag the posts you think are abusive to the community.
What I take issue with here is you're accusing others of moral failure instead of giving them the benefit of the doubt. Instead of asking questions (privately or publicly) you make very strongly worded accusations. Instead, "Hey this could be bad from my point of view. What do you think?" might've worked better. I don't think you're wrong for posting your opinion or raising concerns. I just don't agree with the accusations and the (IMO) juvenile approach you took. Adults talk things through and ask questions in a respectful manner. Kids throw tantrums, name call, and accuse without evidence.
(For the record, I don't vote on steemsports posts)
There might be honorable ways to argue that steemsports doesn't deserve so much of the rewards pool. But the fact is you're drawing morality into it, and your argument that there's something morally relevant about these beauty pageants doesn't hold with most people.
If something isn't your cup of tea and the whales disagree, you kind of have to just live with that until they change their mind, you can't accuse people of moral wrongdoing because you don't like something.
@kyle since we are talking about morality, I don't think people should be cursing like you do, but I don't make a huge deal about it. I don't down vote you for it. I just don't follow you, read your post or upvote you because of it. Nothing againts you I just don't like cursing.
You're the second person to comment today on my language..!
It's something I'm working on. Being a tradesmen in my younger years did a number on what my active vocabulary is.. Generally I use expletives to get a point across.. Sometimes I've got more than one point in a paragraph.. So it ends up looking like what you try to avoid reading in my posts I guess.
My apologies if my sharp tongue has upset you. Wasn't my intention.
@klye, I support you very much as a friend and supporter of steemit.com; this thing may well be in beta but, as I have often said, it could be better. This is a simple manipulation of votes. If you are a big name, you get votes, whether you put up a recipe for tomato ketchup or a C&P of a news story.
Creating an internal competition is a clever idea; it would be even cleverer if there were a bit more thought put into it. Here is the catch:
We know, don't put onto the internet anything you want to erase; you cannot! Equally, don't do on the internet anything you don't want to have aired on 60 minutes. Can you imagine the furore?
"Photos of 16 year old girl posted on social media site for lurid beauty contest!"
By all means, have a laugh but please don't put the whole thing at risk by being idiotic!
Namaste!
<3 Thank you man. While admittedly I jumped the gun on part of my post that triggered this one a large portion of what I said still holds true. You've got a point with the big names thing.. Once the whale types figure they can nab up curation rewards and they all notice they are voting on the same user it just becomes an endless cycle of the same old same old.. I certainly don't want this to happen pitting users with one another. Sports is one thing.
It could be sensationalized far worse than I went at it.. I don't really know what direction we're headed in on Steemit to be honest. With some modifications I'd love to see steemsports and steemgames continue.. I can say that much.
I would ask @craig-grant if his feelings got hurt when he lost his Steemy Game competition...;-) #funny
Nah, he ain't hurt. He's too absorbed in the now to give a shiitake :)
He's too absorbed in his "flow", you mean?
I meant what I said, but you could say that, too.
He's always talking about living in the now (being present to the moment at hand), which is essentially entering the flow state. So...yeah, we're both right!
Yipeee!!!
I read 90% of his posts - i'd love to see where he said his feelings were hurt.. He's "in the now" thats his thing..
The screencap in the post I made that triggered this one.. He's the one who was commenting about the poor votes and the rich votes.. To me Craig normally seemed more laid back then to worry about who is voting for whom and I took that as a sign he was bothered.
This is a "Reality Check" : You profited from a comic depicting yourself jerking off a whale. ;)
Difference between comedy and casualty sir. .
And for the record that wasn't me jerking off the whale..!
The person depicted in that picture is clearly a ginger.
Where as I look more like this...
The evidence in this thread indicates a vast difference between your claims and reality. ;)
For that reason, I see no casualties, other than those who have faced what appear to be false accusations.
And for the record, I have no interest in the new competition and think it's juvenile as well. At the same time, I applaud those behind the account for trying something new. However, it's not something I will be supporting with my votes.
Evidence in this thread... <_<
You're a man of great tastes clearly Tuckman. Thanks for the trip down memory lane #letmeshowyouhowtowhackoffwhales
@klye your F'u post backfired. just say sorry and move on.
Even after being shitflagged by 10 accounts including smooth and steemsports the payout is still > $15.00 and the conversation and replies it sparked were the highest from yesterdays post..
I'd say it was a smashing success actually.
good for you. now since we are on the topic of hurting people's feeling and caring so much about minors, maybe u should take down your penis and boobs "art"? double -standard much @klye?
but of course, you have a history of crying wolf and then not even accepting you are wrong. dont worry I can assure you i am not "catfishing".
Totally different.
Voting on the sexiness of an underage girl is borderline pedophilia (Which the community was duped into voting for, granted).
My art is absolutely harmless to the PR of Steemit.com, and lets be honest here. There is WAY worse stuff on the internet than anything I've ever produced on MS-Paint. lol
yeah, sure. whatever you say.