You can't play in both teams. If you play in Justin's team you will lose everyone the Steem blockchain. That's the same as shooting yourself in the foot.
The problem is, that if you don't support the community against Justin, you are making so much easier for him to take over, thus in the end it doesn't mean anything if you have your own opinions about things. You'll end up losing along everyone else.
I can assure you he doesn't care about your personal demands, but he will gladly use you to break down the social cohesion of the Steem community, and take over.
So, not helping the community is really playing in Justins corner and akin to pissing in your own cereal.
Stop calling it the "community" because it is not. Steem is currently designed as a plutocracy and for quite some time the vast majority of people disliked things and still lost in decision making. I do not consider the witnesses that put in HF22 "the community" and I won't support them. Both sides can just keep buying STEEM to add votes for themselves and I'm happily selling to them on exchanges in this turf war and it is improving buy pressure.
If you cared about something other than money, like censorship-resistant blogging, you'd be way more into IPFS. You either are very uneducated about this subject or you're full of shit. Steem's consensus is decided by 17 individuals, there are corporate boards of directors more decentralized than that. The US Senate is WAY more decentralized than that...
I have been complaining about DPoS, along with many other people in the blockchain world for years. Only now, that Justin bought up our plutocracy and is doing things with DPoS that you all dislike, suddenly, a lot of people, including consensus witnesses like Luke Stokes are beginning to get the picture.
I have had the guts to speak out against the terrible, very possibly illegal behavior going on in Steem long before Justin came. Justin is not the start of the problem, really, the corrupt people here hate that their crony capitalism is being hijacked while there's still water in the well. I spoke out against the shameful actions of the Burnpost project. I called out the hypocrisy of Steemcleaners, Burnpost, SBDpotato and other initiatives that make money off spam and steal from the author pool but go after others that make money off spam too.
So yeah, I won't take sides with bad guys because the other guys might possibly be worse bad guys.
I see that you don't care about the current situation...
My feeling is that both @thehive and myself care passionately. We are not looking for symbolic reactions but true solutions of this dilemma.
@thehive seems to be suggesting that nothing has changed in the governance of STEEM to stop another Justin Sun from performing a hostile take over. HF22.2 did nothing but piss off a billionaire. We are no safer from a hostile majority stake take over than we were before @ned sold us down river.
Ask yourself why Witness Voter Retention has not been changed in 4 years? Why has STINC's Ninja Mined Stake not been dealt with in 4 years?
Have the top 20 witnesses (minus @timcliff) been too busy protecting us or protecting their own interests? Luckily, for the vast majority of Steemians, many times those interests intersect. On some very important issues they do not.
That may be true, but dividing the community on the issue now, as we are under attack is NOT GOING TO HELP!
We will rethink the governance once we have regained control of the blockchain back. It would mean a suicide to start making these demands right now. Bloody amazing dumbfuckery to think we are going to get anywhere if we were to stop voting for the witnesses now and let Justin just take over.
The blockchain is doomed if we start infighting and give up our defenses.
Don't you think that is a problem for the next day, for the period when Justin has been defeated, instead of bickering about it now?
They may not have been changed in the last 4 years, but I guess this has been a wakeup call to everyone. It still doesn't mean infighting is going to help now that the takeover is already underway.
I mean how on earth do you think making these demands right now is going to save Steem at any stretch if you are only creating a rift in the community now at the face of adversity?
read up through your comments to me, You do not think you are a part of causing divide when you dictate what I should and should not do, when you tell me what I should and should not think, When your mind form opinions of what my mind thinks when you do not understand what I am saying.
What did I tell you you should do, show me when I told anyone what to do.
I shared opinion. My opinion does not agree with the way witness perform in their assumed position of negotiation without qualification to do so.
I have told you in a previous comment, I have no interest in Justin Sun at all. You have dome nothing more then follow me to promote your own ego and your own ambition to bring disruption. You have shown no effort in anyway to understand an opinion that differs to yours.
You are saying you won't be helping the community, and are willing to sell the blockchain to Justin, unless the witnesses do what you want. You are the one with the demands. You are the problem.
No I did not say that, Your lack of willingness to accept someone else will not follow like a sheep what others say has brought that to your mind. nothing that I have said.
You nor no one else dictates what I say. You are the one has a problem with me, Notice Your problem not mine.
Even just last night, I was on voice with Aggroed in his show. He does not hold my opinion against me but actually welcomes some opinion that does not just follow him blindly, it is your opinion and ambition to cause a fight that divides the community.
You are saying you won't be helping the community, and are willing to sell the blockchain to Justin, unless the witnesses do what you want. You are the one with the demands. You are the problem.
In my opinion the blockchain is a database and the community are people. Mr. Sun did not purchase the community.
As if.
You can't play in both teams. If you play in Justin's team you will lose everyone the Steem blockchain. That's the same as shooting yourself in the foot.
Some people are on neither team, because they didn't like the old team and they aren't much of a fan of the new one.
There is more than the light and the dark side of the Force, there is also magenta.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes...
The problem is, that if you don't support the community against Justin, you are making so much easier for him to take over, thus in the end it doesn't mean anything if you have your own opinions about things. You'll end up losing along everyone else.
I can assure you he doesn't care about your personal demands, but he will gladly use you to break down the social cohesion of the Steem community, and take over.
So, not helping the community is really playing in Justins corner and akin to pissing in your own cereal.
Stop calling it the "community" because it is not. Steem is currently designed as a plutocracy and for quite some time the vast majority of people disliked things and still lost in decision making. I do not consider the witnesses that put in HF22 "the community" and I won't support them. Both sides can just keep buying STEEM to add votes for themselves and I'm happily selling to them on exchanges in this turf war and it is improving buy pressure.
Yep, you are the one who can stay with Justin's fork.
Dude, I'd own tokens on both. That is how forks go. its amazing that you don't know that.
Aren't you the greedy one. I was talking about the community. You are the one going on about money.
If you cared about something other than money, like censorship-resistant blogging, you'd be way more into IPFS. You either are very uneducated about this subject or you're full of shit. Steem's consensus is decided by 17 individuals, there are corporate boards of directors more decentralized than that. The US Senate is WAY more decentralized than that...
I have been complaining about DPoS, along with many other people in the blockchain world for years. Only now, that Justin bought up our plutocracy and is doing things with DPoS that you all dislike, suddenly, a lot of people, including consensus witnesses like Luke Stokes are beginning to get the picture.
I have had the guts to speak out against the terrible, very possibly illegal behavior going on in Steem long before Justin came. Justin is not the start of the problem, really, the corrupt people here hate that their crony capitalism is being hijacked while there's still water in the well. I spoke out against the shameful actions of the Burnpost project. I called out the hypocrisy of Steemcleaners, Burnpost, SBDpotato and other initiatives that make money off spam and steal from the author pool but go after others that make money off spam too.
So yeah, I won't take sides with bad guys because the other guys might possibly be worse bad guys.
I already said he doesn't care about you. If Justin wins, Steem loses. (That includes you.)
Nothing is about justin
Think much bigger,
Bigger than the pyramids
Ok, fuck it. I see that you don't care about the current situation, or anything. You just want to destroy the whole blockchain.
"Bigger than pyramids", you are delusional.
Your demands mean nothing if Justin wins.
My feeling is that both @thehive and myself care passionately. We are not looking for symbolic reactions but true solutions of this dilemma.
@thehive seems to be suggesting that nothing has changed in the governance of STEEM to stop another Justin Sun from performing a hostile take over. HF22.2 did nothing but piss off a billionaire. We are no safer from a hostile majority stake take over than we were before @ned sold us down river.
Ask yourself why Witness Voter Retention has not been changed in 4 years? Why has STINC's Ninja Mined Stake not been dealt with in 4 years?
Have the top 20 witnesses (minus @timcliff) been too busy protecting us or protecting their own interests? Luckily, for the vast majority of Steemians, many times those interests intersect. On some very important issues they do not.
I was more saying this exact situation was brought to the attention of those in governance position a long time ago. They done nothing about it.
With that a concentration of time has been spent on HF rather than discussing possibly ways to move forward.
Thanks for clarifying. 😎👍
That may be true, but dividing the community on the issue now, as we are under attack is NOT GOING TO HELP!
We will rethink the governance once we have regained control of the blockchain back. It would mean a suicide to start making these demands right now. Bloody amazing dumbfuckery to think we are going to get anywhere if we were to stop voting for the witnesses now and let Justin just take over.
The blockchain is doomed if we start infighting and give up our defenses.
If Mr. Sun does not back this down a hard chain fork seems inevitable and the normal solution in such blockchain stand offs.
Don't you think that is a problem for the next day, for the period when Justin has been defeated, instead of bickering about it now?
They may not have been changed in the last 4 years, but I guess this has been a wakeup call to everyone. It still doesn't mean infighting is going to help now that the takeover is already underway.
I mean how on earth do you think making these demands right now is going to save Steem at any stretch if you are only creating a rift in the community now at the face of adversity?
read up through your comments to me, You do not think you are a part of causing divide when you dictate what I should and should not do, when you tell me what I should and should not think, When your mind form opinions of what my mind thinks when you do not understand what I am saying.
You are the one dictating, you are the one trying to let Justin take over. How much is he paying you?
What did I tell you you should do, show me when I told anyone what to do.
I shared opinion. My opinion does not agree with the way witness perform in their assumed position of negotiation without qualification to do so.
I have told you in a previous comment, I have no interest in Justin Sun at all. You have dome nothing more then follow me to promote your own ego and your own ambition to bring disruption. You have shown no effort in anyway to understand an opinion that differs to yours.
You are saying you won't be helping the community, and are willing to sell the blockchain to Justin, unless the witnesses do what you want. You are the one with the demands. You are the problem.
No I did not say that, Your lack of willingness to accept someone else will not follow like a sheep what others say has brought that to your mind. nothing that I have said.
You nor no one else dictates what I say. You are the one has a problem with me, Notice Your problem not mine.
Even just last night, I was on voice with Aggroed in his show. He does not hold my opinion against me but actually welcomes some opinion that does not just follow him blindly, it is your opinion and ambition to cause a fight that divides the community.
In my opinion the blockchain is a database and the community are people. Mr. Sun did not purchase the community.