Are you using Randowhale? He has censored this post to stop you reading it - so I'm reposting it to ensure full visibility!

in steemit •  last year  (edited)

If you think this article should be read and discussed on the Steemit platform please upvote and resteem before it can be censored.
This is REPOST of a post by @scarlet7 who is raising a serious issue. Serious enough that Randowhale with his bots has flagged the post into oblivion.

As you might know from my previous posts I believe the abuse of flagging and downvoting will stop the growth and limit the true potential of Steemit.

Below is the post by @scarlet7 - please upvote her posts, resteem and follow.

"Randowhale is a "service" here at Steemit. It is a bot that you pay, and in return, RandoWhale upvotes your posts at an undetermined amount of SteemPower (which is what controls the amount of payout you can give each user). The idea is to give you exposure and payout when you're small, just starting out especially.
Here is a part of the description from Randowhales page.
This part explains the payouts given...."randomly" with some larger votes "mixed in"

"No guarantees....interesting.....so who exactly is getting these larger payouts that are "mixed" in
Here ya go, here's the list provided...
Let's start with the measly little payouts he gave his paying customers like YOU or a new user with very little money or SteemPower in the system trying to better their account through this great service!"

"Well HOW GENEROUS RANDOWHALE!!!!!
Now here are the accounts that received the ever so gracious
larger votes that...you know....just get mixed in the bunch:
I went ahead and highlighted the accounts owned by the RandoWhale owners BernieSanders and Friends:"

"So what happened there? You sent him your money (probably 5-10 dollars) for a random upvote from his massive SteemPower. You got a vote of a few cents or maybe a buck and change if you're real lucky, but DAMMIT....wouldn't ya know, you didn't hit the big vote. Guess who did....he took YOUR MONEY TO PROMOTE and he paid himself and his buddies and bots this:"

"131.924 SBD or roughly $1,288.90 USD. Damn, that would have been nice to get on your post huh? And you paid for this service huh? That's really shady huh? Who's "raping" the rewards pool?"

"BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!!!"

"Besides paying himself thousands of dollars in the payout period, and paying his customers peanuts and the crumbs he wipes your way, he also uses the money YOU GAVE HIM to FLAG users like @haejin. Oh and MANY MORE. This is just a small taste. Look how much of what could have been voted on YOUR POST, because you paid him YOUR MONEY for the now seen to be impossible chance of a big UPVOTE, he instead uses to FLAG users he doesn't like on a personal basis, and accuses them of stealing from Steemit while he robs the minnows blind, and many others just trying to get more exposure through what they believe to be an honest service."

Did you pay for him to flag these users? Or did you pay for him to UPVOTE your post?

"Look at ALL that money (1327.05 SBD/$11,983.26 USD) he could be using as a positive service to YOU....but he instead uses to degrade and belittle users. Users he has already attacked many times before, for no reason at all. Well, actually, he does claim they abuse the rewards pool....and they use bots to vote, and he does claim all this with no evidence at all....but this tells a different story of who abuses the rewards pool and uses bots to vote, and the evidence is right in front of you.
@Haejin has used randowhales services and paid good money for them. And how is he repaid? With HUGE percentage vests in FLAGS against users that are fans of his work and standing up for him against berniesanders. Why??? Because berniesanders and friends run Randowhale."

"Here's something even worse to add to it all. He is using these accounts to launch an attack on the user @uknowjpbitcoin. He is suppressing any attempt this user has to make a comment on any thread. He is doing this with the accounts that he is propping up through RandoWhale. This example below is an automated system running that is immediately flagging this user's account anytime he tries to post anything at all. This is what every single comment by this user looks like. Look at that list. Seems the lucky winners of all the big votes are their bot posting accounts being used to oppress users on the site. When you gave to RandoWhale, is this how you thought the project was going to use your money? I know I didn't. Yes the link this user has posted has a damning title, but this user has been experiencing this terror bull shit for the last several days....I can see why he's so upset about it. Dare I say that by using RandoWhale you are actually supporting terrorism on Steemit? I do. This is the definition of that to a tee. But for the sake of conversation let's just call it extreme abuse, censorship, and a community member acting in a very disgusting way toward another."

"You pay this "bot" to grow it's steem power so that YOU get a fair UPVOTE. Randowhale uses a large majority of that SteemPower that YOU GAVE HIM, to flag other users and pay himself and his friends all under the guise that YOU might get lucky and get a big vote.. Hmm...sounds like Randowhale is just another scam being run by BernieSanders and friends. He is stealing your money that you pay, under agreement with him, and using it in a negative way against other users. Did you pay your good money for THAT?!?
If you are new to to Steemit, DO NOT BE FOOLED!!!! DO NOT PAY THE BOTS HERE!!! They are not your friends. In fact, they are likely flagging your friends with your money.
This is Absolutely Unacceptable!"

"GUT THIS WHALE and DEMAND YOUR MONEY BACK!!!!"

"RANDOWHALE IS A SCAM RUN BY BERNIESANDERS AND FRIENDS! YOU ARE PAYING YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY, AND NOT GETTING WHAT IS PROMISED IN RETURN FAIRLY. YOU ARE GETTING TAKING FOR A FOOL, AND OTHERS ARE SUFFERING BECAUSE OF IT, AND IT MAY BE YOU SUFFERING FROM IT ONE DAY AS WELL!"

"Even some witnesses on this site are supporting this type of behavior. This must be corrected, or Steemit will never become what it has the potential to be. This is everyone's community, and everyone's responsibility to decide if this is what Steemit is all about or not.
And I keep hearing this guy calling out ned and dan and jeff and phil and I don't give a shit what any of those people think, and you shouldn't either. You should care what you think. You should think about your community. It's not up to ned or dan or berniesanders or haejin or me.
It's up to YOU.
Is this acceptable to YOU in YOUR community?
Save the person signing onto Steemit for the first time today.
Save them from getting scammed right as they walk in the door to this community."

A reminder that the original post was by @scarlet7 - please upvote her posts, resteem and follow.
(I reposted as it had been censored into oblivion and I wished all to have access to her opinion.

"Please RESTEEM THIS POST"

Tarquin Maine back commenting: I for one will never use Randowhale again.

Sorry for the angst at such a time of year, but this needs to be out in the open for thoughtful debate for the betterment of our platform.

Merry Christmas everyone!

PS this is short story I wrote about this issue a couple of months ago, which Bernie Sanders aka Randowhale has also just censored into oblivion!

"A Steemit Christmas Carol"
https://steemit.com/writing/@tarquinmaine/a-short-story-the-steemit-christmas-carol

Another censored post questioning the validity of censorship - and of course its been censored!
https://steemit.com/steemit/@tarquinmaine/is-bernie-sanders-using-the-steemit-platform-to-breech-the-1st-amendment-of-the-american-constitution

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I was just going to swap my stuff from fb and other platforms to steemit. But this issue really puts the breaks on for me. I guess human greed outweights all positive intentions that once might have been in the guy behind this whale. As long as steemit is subvertible that easily by one rough individual its not worth investing time or money into it. whats the difference if I get screwed by the fb honcho or the steemit whale?

Please resteem.
Bernie uses terror tactics but he can't downvote every single user here.

Thanks for this information. I never know all this and this post is also hidden now.

Well done, 1.1K+ views already!

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Thanks to the help of all the re-steems!

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I've seen the post first time and made comments - well you chose steemit for your social network because of it's one good feature, the easy money-into-crypto option. However, it's a terribly dysfunctional social network in all other respects and maybe you should combine using several better networks to post, the way you're already doing it with youtube, and then lead your followers here to upvote ?
Be a little bit flexible and let a social media pro advise you. Think.
Most of the people here came from youtube.
This "I'm the king of bots and I'm not letting you crap in my backyard" thing is understandable, it's the nature of steemit. It will not go away, I can see that berniesanders is not alone.
If they do not resist now, they will never have the chance again.
Shadow-box your way around it, @haejin.

What Bernie is doing is NOT just bullying...It is ABUSE!!!
Steemit will crumble if they allow him to keep abusing his power.

Sounds like he is threatening everyone now......and stopping free-speech!
https://steemit.com/morons/@berniesanders/every-flag-i-get-from-ranchorelaxo-is-one-less-upvote-for-haejin

  ·  last year (edited)

@tarquinmaine I don't like using whale accounts' services. I respect and love steemit for what it is, I don't like this capitalistic mentality applied here on steemit. I love steemit for the quality content it can offer. I'd prefer my content to get upvoted because it's top quality rather than just because I paid some rich guy. But hey, that's me!

Not arguing at all, just stating my view!

Highest Regards
@lordneroo

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I agree. Bots are against the spirit of the community. The idea is the value of human interaction and communication - not A.I.

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Been censored already! Please copy, paste and post. This censoring whale must be stopped.

holy-schmoly, is this the way big account holders think they can take steemit to the moon? shame on them. They should be aware that new people are also seeing this and they might never spread the word for steemit in the future.

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Good job! Thanks to @aashishkv2 you have planted 0.13 tree to save Abongphen Highland Forest in Cameroon. Help me to plant 1,000,000 trees and share my Steem Power to the others. Selfvoting is prohibited, but that should be the reason to spread the world to protect our precious environment. Check out profile of our conservation association @kedjom-keku and the founder/coordinator @martin.mikes to get more information about our conservation program. My current SP is 14458.04. Help me to plant more trees with your delegated SP.

Thanks a lot,
your @treeplanter
www.kedjom-keku.com

I got downvoted by a whale recently and he would not give me a reason why. I was so mad and i still am- that cost me my hard earned reputation and $5 worth of rewards.
It takes a while to prepare content to post and after all your hard work , time and effort some "whale" can just come and down vote it and not bother telling you what you did wrong.
I think we need to find a way to put the whales in check or this will just become a nightmare for people starting out . Alot of people are forced to act a certain way and alot of the time people are just faking and saying nice things hoping to get a lucky upvote.
Its ridiculous.
Can we have like a way to hold down voters accountable or make them provide allowable reasons to down vote? And i know people do down vote others for personal reasons and it shouldn't be.
My Idea is to have a group of whales or just high steem power individuals /influencers who can down vote a whale or a person who does not provide a good reason for down voting another person's post. it will be kind of like taking the whale or down voter to court.

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Hi Leggy23. Although we could band together and downvote the aggressive censoring whales I believe this isn't the best way to react as its a waste of our time and effort when it could be used for better things - e.g. writing good posts. The fault they are exploiting is a flaw within steemit. I hope we can change the system and all voting power can be used in a positive way in the future. Can you please snd me a link to the post that was downvoted.

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https://steemit.com/steem/@leggy23/poloniex-issue-resolves
I was venting/ sharing my frustrations after waiting almost a month to get an issue resolved with Poloniex. I used their hashtag which they advertised for all to use to get free upvotes and i did all the requirements- or so i thought. Next thing i know i got flagged with no explanation.

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It seems you might have been downvoted by a whale who has an upvoting bot, because you used another bots upvoting service? I'm not sure on this but would appreciate anyone who understands the system better to comment.

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Perhaps, we need a policy in place where flags can only be used for strictly specific criteria such as plagiarism/spam rather than the pissing contest we have currently. For instance, let's say when a user flags that they must select a check box for the criteria met. If that criteria turns out to be false, the flag may be disputed/removed.

Wonder if it is feasible for witnesses to be the arbiters in such a case. Hmmm

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RememberORemember reading an interview with a philosopher saying the future might be a modern feudalism. Then we will get an email: «You just got sold»

very good information, thanks you for sharing this with us

If this is truly the case, I'm getting scared of the community. One flick will wipe us minnows. :'(

I just hope that there is good reasoning behind it all. I'm getting confused, but all I can do is just observe. There are two sides of a coin, and I don't know which is the right one.

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I don't believe in censorship. For someone reading the above all comments and opinions should be accessible by everyone so people like you who are undecided can read and gain the info needed for you to make your individual choice. Don't be scared of the bullies they will back wear themselves out eventually. I've followed you and wish you luck! update: PLEASE SCROLL DOWN THE COMMENTS TO SEE THE CENSORING IN ACTION!

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Interesting times on the Steemit platform indeed, but I'm not worried at all. So many people on here with really good intentions and contributing amazing content. We will eventually deal with all the problems we encounter, and the beta version will have to be improved at some point.

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Been censored already! Please copy, paste and post. This censoring whale must be stopped.

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"I just hope that there is good reasoning behind it all."

Profit. To be more specific, short term profit. That's the entire reason for the way the platform is designed, and makes this possible.

The fact tha randowhale downvoted bur didn’t defend itself leads me to believe something fishy is going on.

resteemed! what a distraction

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Been censored already! Please copy, paste and post. This censoring whale must be stopped.

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Dang they are fast. I was really enjoying Steem. Everyday with the bully whales less enjoyable. Soon there won't be anybody for them to downvote. It's too bad for all the people I got to join steem and now they find it with this drama :(

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resteemed. great job

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Brilliantly put!

I’ve just re-sreemed it.

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Great!

  ·  last year (edited)

This post should seen by users as much as possible
Upvote esteem it.Its their way to receive users reward.

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great post dear friend @tarquinmaine

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Been censored already! Please copy, paste and post. This censoring whale needs to realise he can't win....

appreciate your thorough research

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All credit due to the original author. I just copy and pasted and reposted to highlight censored material.

Thank you @tarquinmaine, and thank you @scarlet7. We as a community that respect and admire haejin as well as all of those who don't like the bernie sanders tactics and actions have to come together to fight it.

Steemit is set up primarily to be self regulating. When someone becomes a problem to the community, the community needs to rise up and deal with it. This includes voting for witnesses who agree with us, supporting each other, and supporting haejin.
We can and must win this battle against the bernie bots.

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Been censored already! Please copy, paste and post. This censoring whale must be stopped.

I upvoted, but my voting power is now down to 25%, so my upvotes don't help as much -- it's still invisible. I resteemed it.

I am blond and grey, but can it not be that he let them accounts grow, to get a bigger reach of upvotes? I mean, I have an account and I am small, I push everything into steempower. Once i am bigger, the first ones that i will upvote will be the ones I care for. Under the ones I care for I could ask to first give their steempower to me or their bds for that respect. When you are an upvote service I guess in the long while you can upvote others with more people. I hate to see the bad in people so search for a why.

What a con job.

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Sadly so. The funny thing is he was unnoticed until he launched an attack on haejin in a fit of apparent jealousy. To be honest I'm glad as this flaw needs sorting out for a better future here in steemit.

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Been censored already! Please copy, paste and post. This censoring whale must be stopped.

When I realize bots have been made just for this reason - fill your already full pocket, I decided to make bot @treeplanter which use the donations for forest conservation. 100% is used for our conservation activities in Cameroon @kedjom-keku. Still I am fighting with myself about it. Currently Steem is one of the few possibilities ho to rais funding for our program. So I do not have many options. I am glad I can run @treeplanter here. But yes, I completely agree with you! Most of bots (maybe all except ours:) are actually morally just bullshit.

What?! I just joined Steemit and all these happening? Why can't most people be fair? This will ruin the Steemit community's reputation

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Yes. Please don't loose faith in steemit and the community. I think we've found a flaw in the system and by 'flagging' it with reasoned open discussion (not the steemit flag) we can hopefully iron out the weakness for a better platform primed for mass expansion in 2018!

  ·  last year (edited)

Perhaps there is more to the story than you know:

Article Link:
The curious case of the missing comma

Perhaps not all as it was made out to be, and perhaps an image was altered to incite hatred toward @haejin.

But you will have to read the article to find out.

Also I poke fun at everyone equally...:) I'm not biased by any means in my articles and they will reflect that as you peruse my blog..

I'm actually a member of the club now as I have been downvote attacked for the article mentioned above..

Take care,

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Live and let live!

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Your link is a dead link.

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fixed

Thanks, I Re-Steemed and I am about to copy-paste-repost.

Guys @everyone, remember, after clicking show post, go to the bottom and click on "show images" below the red line that reads "images hidden due to low votes".

A happy Christmas to all, and may the Force Light of the Lord be with you!

Let him guide this community! Or otherwise let it all burn down in ashes, no one will care about a community that is full of assholes and bots like these... Down with the oppressors!

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Merry Christmas!

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Now, that's the important part, ain't it? ;) Blessings, @tarquinmaine, and let JUSTICE be done here.

How can it be that 99 people upvote and an article is still on 0. That is really wrong of the system.

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Well observed! The negative votes have been used to censor this... but the positive votes are winning through though. We just need a few more! A school of minnows looks like a whale from a distance!

We will not be stopped! Rember the guy who used to bully you in high school? NO! NO ONE KNOWS HIM! You are the successful one.
We will fight against the whales to the very end. And we shall survive and win! As the Russians say - nas mnogo. This is, after all, the very essence of Blockchain, to fight against rotten bankers and give the power back to the people.
Power to the people, stick it to the Mayor!

Dear Tarqinmane.

This is an amazing article that everybody should read. I am really glad you put so much effort in finding out what randowhale really does. I never gave them money, but then again, I am not here to build a blog and a following, I am here to read other blogs and be part of the community.
It does show that there are no shortcuts in live, also not on steemit. If you want to build a succesfull steemit blog it takes blood sweat and tears, like anything else in live. It is a pity that others take advantage of new users on steemit that want to earn a bit, but I also think that people should question it immediately, when they are asked for money. I am not blaming the victims, im just merely pointing out that people should be wary of accounts that ask for money.

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@Scarlet7 did the work. I just reposted her content as she was flagged into Oblivion.

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@Scarlet, thank you for this great work!

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Upvoted and resteemd, please people, lets get this article to the trending page!!!!!!

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Great stuff! This post was flagged onto oblivion but has been reborn with the great support. THANK YOU!

I need help from u dear i need upvote from you

I prefer to win for my content, because a lot of time spent in the world, also in Steemit you get a lot of quality content from many creative people who do not understand because they have these methods because we all win just to be creative, it's just my opinion, best regards.

I prefer to win for my content, because a lot of time spent in the world, also in Steemit you get a lot of quality content from many creative people who do not understand because they have these methods because we all win just to be creative, it's just my opinion, best regards.

Any ganging up disadvantages everybody else.

  ·  last year (edited)

I guess the curiosity got to me..... ALL the comments that got censored by Randowhale drove my curiosity to click it more and read the comments.

I guess flagging makes people more curious of others comments!

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Great stuff. Normally censoring entices people to look.... so long as they hear about the censoring, hence my efforts. Thanks for reading!

Thanks for the information!

  ·  last year (edited)

The more I learn about bots, the worse it gets. Without real transparency on the actual generation of the rewards, these kinds of services are best avoided (that's without even going into the ethics of bots guzzling the pool for people who aren't even minnows).
#scamwatch

Saya tidak pernah mendapatkan posting yang banyak..

Thank you for sharing the important information .. success for you....
😎😎😎

what a cock

Very interesting article here. Thank you for the insight.

you definitely need to see this all steemit @tarquinmaine

Good job! Thanks to @martin.mikes you have planted 0.13 tree to save Abongphen Highland Forest in Cameroon. Help me to plant 1,000,000 trees and share my Steem Power to the others. Selfvoting is prohibited, but that should be the reason to spread the world to protect our precious environment. Check out profile of our conservation association @kedjom-keku and the founder/coordinator @martin.mikes to get more information about our conservation program. My current SP is 14452.23. Help me to plant more trees with your delegated SP.

Thanks a lot,
your @treeplanter
www.kedjom-keku.com

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Been censored already! Please copy, paste and post. This censoring whale must be stopped.

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Thank you!

Get rid of voting bots altogether I'd say.

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Agree!

Can I get some love for the articles he crushed of mine? @pawsdog

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Trying to! But you're been heavily censored. Just need to replenish my steem power to help more...

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No problem at all.. love you man.. the bullying needs to cease

I have a very GOOD question to ask...
Why is a bot like Randowhale who is suppose to be only upvoting, Flagging comments and articles on Steemit?

I thought Upvoting Bots have no bias and only upvotes? That's why people give him SBD right?

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Yes.
That's the abuse of the system we are trying to highlight! Not good is it?

Merry x mas

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Merry Christmas!

Dang! So this is why i've been lack upvoters? 😱

This post has received a 25.71 % upvote from @aksdwi thanks to: @danpaulson.

Those aren't the upvotes you idiot, those are transfers for the share in rewards for delegators. Basically if yo delegate to @randowhale then you get a share in the profit but you would know that had you read the entire post... or any of it.

Oddly enough I feel very little sympathy...
If it seems too good to be true.....
................it usually is....

sometimes lessons are expensive..

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what would happen if ........... no one used bots?

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