Cross-platform monetization
I have a question for those who are planning to run multiple platforms as they arrive in the coming months and years. How many times is it okay to get paid for the same content? This is quite a serious question really, even if just looking at Steemit.
One thing that is often commented upon at Steemit is the 7 day payout window (it used to be 30) whereas on other platforms like YouTube, it is mostly unlimited. It is also common practice that accounts will have a presence on multiple platforms like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. However, these do come with differences to places like Steemit where the payment not only comes out of a public pool but, it is possible to pay yourself from it. This alone is going to raise many questions isn't it?
But, let's say that a whale who has a presence on Steemit bought a fair bit of EOS at 50 cents, uses ONO and whatever else will be attached, posts the same content across all and self-votes, that is going to be a massive amount of monetization that the author can choose themselves isn't it? I don't know how all the platforms will work of course but even without self-voting, the chances for large amounts on the same content is very high.
I may not like people advertising other platforms here but, I do understand why they are doing it as essentially they will be able to take some of their supporters over with them and get their accounts moving without having to ever start from zero, like most others. It would also mean that people can vote on the same article twice or more on various platforms. It seems likely that the circle-jerks are going to be cross-platform and therefore, the current difficulty of governance is going to be near impossible.
I have been thinking about this for myself from a content perspective too as I would likely be classed as someone who produces a lot of content daily. The interesting thing with a lot of what I write is that it can be read at anytime with minimal effort required to change it for suitability for different audiences. I fashioned a lot of it without being bound to a time frame in case Steemit ever found a way to have a continual payout window but, it will work similarly if I chose to post across various interfaces also. I am not saying that every piece I write is gold but, I do think that some are pretty good and creative and assume there will be a niche at just about every platform.
But, this goes beyond just the content in my thinking as if the same people with the know-how to buy in on content sites are appearing on all with heavy investment, the same faces and therefore, same content is going to be appearing at all sites. This low content diversity carries risks for all platforms as does having low diversity of people at the top. Again, each platform is going to behave differently but, I don't yet know how to different they will be considering their starting points.
This is going to take bots to all new levels of monetization also as the operators will be able to distribute content easily to many platforms which means, those that are already here will spread out but, those that start on the new platforms will spread into Steem. It is going to open up a whole new circle of Spam hell.
I don't know how all of this is going to pan out but I think we can all agree that when there is money involved, every possible loophole, trick, scam and play are going to be attempted and we can see how complex it gets just here. What happens when there are several directly monetized platforms operating on top of each other with the same people being the first ones to spread into the next latest and greatest?
Even though this is the way things have to go and there is so much potential for so many, it is going to create a very big mess and it runs the risk of developing massive inequalities between users very fast, no matter when they decide to adopt the platform. I am just hoping it all operates better and with advantages for many more than the world we have today.
Taraz
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One of the main characteristics curation guilds focus on is "steemit original content", which means that even though an article posted on steemit belongs to the author, if it was posted somewhere else first, then it is not eligible for curation.
If the same happens in other platforms, this means that original content won´t be curated in more than one platform - the one that its posted first.
The problem here is, just like with bidbots (but squared), the original content will get scraps and the abusive/circle jerking/bidbot using content will get a bigger share of the pie because, as we´ve seen, curation guilds have a list of rules for curating, abuse has one or two rules...
I think we will see abuse grow to a higher level once the new platforms arrive, a cross platform abuse if you may. But as you said, we are humans.
A lot of people believe that the new platforms will be an utopia. I think, as they will be ran by humans and used by humans, the abuse will come in many different ways, even if the new platforms find a way to "stop" the abuse that is happening on steemit, a new form of abuse will be born. We are humans, we find flaws and we explode them and these new platforms won´t be safe from our human nature.
It is a strange world we live in when original is undervalued as normally it is the knockoffs and mass produced that have low status.
I think this too. Every piece of code has flaws and humanity is coded to maximise, even if it costs others they rely on. the evolution of human is moving towards us being able to hack our own code, those who are incapable of self control are those who are yet to evolve.
I agree with your concerns, although can also see that the creator deserves to be rewarded across platforms as they are contributing to each - so why not get "paid" by each platform. This is fair for good quality content (as some readers may not otherwise find it if they stick to say Steemit) but I agree that this would not be good for poor quality content that might then get pumped everywhere. Aaargh!
it is going to get messy :D
Indeed!
Money easy this attracts any kind of technique for many who think they know everything, a few days ago they invited me to another platform and proposed that I upload all my previous publications, I kept thinking that I would be doing a kind of spam, finally I support the healthy diversification, we can be on various platforms and go as bloggers of specific topics, always being authentic and original in each of our publications, the easy money will make you fall into many traps that will work in the short term, but I am sure that only the good ones will remain giving the best in each blog, happy Sunday thanks for your opinion.
Personally, I have no problem with an author sharing their content in different venues.
Neither do I but I think there are going to be many complications on top of just the sharing.Hard to predict them all yet but, the circles and spam are likely going to get quite extreme.
I imagine the community will come up with something :)
Look at the #nobidbots tag in response to bidbots.
People peruse that instead of trending because they know their eyeballs are valuable.
Readers/ curators who care about cross platforming will look for assurances the author posts here first. Look at Stefan Molyneux.
He's a massive Youtuber but makes $2 a video here because steemit is an afterthought.
There will be plenty of tools to use but I think this might make the space even worse if you know what I mean. Fun though probably. For the dedicated, they have a chance to actually live of it all quite easily perhaps.
Difficult to say because different audiences may be following the same content on different platforms.
But doesn't @cheetah keep track of content copied from other platforms? In that case, it would be the upvoters' job to decide whether or not to upvote.
it does but I think it would be possible to get whitelisted since the content isn't plagiarised.
Perhaps a bot could keep track of content published on multiple platforms to help those people who care decide if they want to upvote. You couldn't get whitelisted by that bot but that bot would not level any accusations against anyone, either.
there will be many options and all the trouble each one will raise along the way :D
If I’m not mistaken there is a way to verify your identity with that service. So people who actually are such and such can avoid having to deal with further issues down the road. I’m not someone of important to need worry about that kind of thing as such I’ve never looked further into it.
We all seen how some people come here to just use a famous name and pretend to be them. While other times that YouTube or who ever is really them expanding their diversification in platforms and audience.
Valid points, I am close to going to bed and you just made that task harder. Well, we can be on our toes and we can have discussions into how to counter that. Solutions are not always perfect, but we can devise something. I guess that we could have meetings to promote ideas, I just don't know if anyone in control will ever listen to them!
For example I don't know why the "views" was removed, but I suspect it was because of the few whales posting well-voted content (triple figures) while only having under 10 views. I saw a few of those in these months.
Congrats for the steemSTEM vote earlier :P
Keep up the good work!
The views was brokan and easy to game, just refresh the page a few times. I am hoping they are repairing it but I suspect it was removed because even broken, manybidbot voted posts weren't getting the views they were claiming to provide.
Thanks, It was a nice surprise :)
Yes because a "view" should be equal to a unique IP or even a unique username.
If your suspicion turns out to be right isn't it funny how fast something can happen if it's hurting those making the most money. Now if views were hurting the little guy some how we'd still be talking about it three years down the road.
This is what we have to counter. I think that if the many are organized we are easier to be seen as a single entity.
Am sure most people would prefer to be paid as much as possible for the same content. That way profit is maximize but it limits the number of new and creative contents
Groups like steemSTEM and SteemRomania (both of which I contribute my time to) employ plagiarism filters to prevent it. I guess publishing on another platform first will still trigger the filters. Now rules must be made and we should really think if we want to limit it and how. It's a big discussion, something to ponder for a week or two and then take a side. Not to be taken lightly.
But can you plagiarize your own content? I mean if you post your own content on two different platform does it count as plagiarism?
Sure you can plagiarize yourself. I think that by original content we are also implying content that is posted only here. When you post it the second time, the local "cheetah" would have something to say, be it here or there. If I start replying the same comment to all my commenters, someone will flag me eventually :D
My humble opinion is that it is OK to get paid for the same content on multiple platforms...the platforms set the rules of reward distribution...if the content is deemed worthy by whoever is in charge of distributing the rewards than you either opt-in on the platform or opt-out. For example for me it’s important to get the content to as many people as possible and cross-platform sharing is one of the ways.
I personally have been upvoting content copied from other personal blogs onto Steem when I was in charge of @sndbox-alpha. The idea behind it was that the content was still better than 95% of the shit that is being posted here every day and I might as well just support good content...The author too just wanted to share is content with audiences on other platforms...and hell it worked...i found it and curated it:)
EDIT: IF the one in charge of the "upvoting tool" has already seen the content he cna still ignore it on that one platform i guess...Not creating too much new content also minimizes information overload
Yes, I am not against it but, it is going to create some very, very interesting dynamics between users and absolutely, good content should be rewarded wherever it is. I think there are going to be lots of great opportunities for relative unknowns to actually get seen and make some decent returns. I hope I can help with them. What I am not looking forward to is the drivel of Trending in every trending section...
Gotcha...I think that the trending as we know it is purely problem of how steem works...for example narrative with its communities proly wont have any trending page whatsoever.
It's very interesting what you're saying, @tarazkp. I have recently joined this platform and it seems to me that the time is very short to "collect" votes, in fact, I have seen how some new people like me have voted after they have completed their time. I think this should vary or at least steemit should look for a way to point out which posts are current and which are not. As for the other, there should be a mechanism to reward the "premiere" of our texts. the platform that gets the first fruits of our thoughts should be able to reward the healer better. You leave me an assignment for the afternoon: to think about what you write well here. Productive Sunday.