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RE: To Solve The Whale DownVote Crisis Why Not Have A Curation System Tied To Reputation Instead?
The weapon doesn´t make the offender.
You won´t ever be able to create a system that changes the people who use it. We´d rather think about WHY these people don´t have anything else to do than attacking others... One possible reason: they are bored. They are not entertained, not amused, not incentivated. Give them a reason to keep themselves busy in a positive way. That´s at least my theory.
You are trying to change people through a new system, here's why and how.
Problem isn't that the flagging system has been a constant issue since almost this platform, this is the problem:
So the solution to fix their behavior is:
My theory isn't that people need to change, at all. For every asshole and troll there are two that will happily take their place, for every bad actor there is two ready to spring up in their absence after we transform the bad actor, troll, asshole into decent folk. That isn't the problem, the problem isn't people, its in the tools people have to deal with these people.
You cannot change people but you can create a better system that gives them the tools to effectively deal with these bad actors, and their shields of money shouldn't protect them and enable them to be bad actors.
Loki suggested that 1 vest = 1 vote linear voting curve, if that's what he was saying.
That would minimize some things but wasting voting power and therefore effort on minimizing these bad actors still remains an issue. We could give the tools to the community have a cop/citizen police at every corner so there is nowhere to hide and nowhere to run from justice.
I wish you were right. But your "two good cops for one bad cops theory" doesn´t work. The people who are doing well here don´t care about the ones that are attacked. It´s like in real life. Instead of risking to be attacked as well, they rather walk towards the other side of the street. Nothing seen, nothing happened.
Best of luck, I´m done here.
Where did you read two cops for one bad cop? I said that we cannot change people, and even if we do others are there ready to take their place.
Stereotyping everyone who does well doesn't work.
As for real life,
My theory is that people can have tools to police the platform effectively.
As @baah says, there are just too many weapons on the table! It's a tough cookie to crack alright ... until someone cracks it :)
There aren´t more weapons on the table now than 12 months ago. The system is still the same, but people have got bored in the meantime. The platform itself is just not exciting enough anymore. It´s the same thing that happens to kids who haven´t learned how to use their own imagination and creativity. If you don´t keep them busy they start doing stupid things :)
Cookies are actually a good idea. I will have some now.
I took your advice and had some cookies.
Coconut ones
And they were fabulous.
I told 2 more people this week about your hot pepper business Marly!
Oh I love Coconut. Mine had some chocolate chips inside. Not too bad either haha
Thanks for spreading the word!!! Too kind ;)
I share your 'not exciting enough anymore' sentiments ... we need a whale down-vote solution and marketing plan ASAP to rescue us from the mire! Enjoy those cookies :)
The suggestions I made does introduce tools for people to defend others with, as the author won't have the tool to defend themselves, they must rely entirely on the community to do that, which is a nuance created out of the fact that they shouldn't be allowed to counter flag, which makes this a "in heaven we eat with long spoons" kind of story.
https://steemit.com/community/@baah/a-solution-to-the-downvoting-flagging-problems-on-steemit
Think about a group of kids where suddenly some of the stronger ones start attacking the weak by beating them with toy blocks. Would you believe that the blocks are the problem and give the weaker kids some weapons to defend themselves accordingly? Or would you rather try to analyze why some kids started grouping and attacking the others in order to solve the source of the problem and not its impact?
Again, you can´t fight it by fighting back. That would be a vicious circle. Ask people WHY they behave like that and you´ll find out HOW to stop them.
Why does that analogy apply here, at all? Because there aren't any adult type figures, nor any aspects that carry semblance of toys.
To solve the problem with the kids you have an adult around, you don't ask why, as that won't solve crap, that's the truth. You have a grown up that can punish or reprimand the gang on behalf of the victim, period.
You are trying to fix people and saying that giving everyone a tool to defend the community with will only create a vicious cycle, how so? Why? Have you went through the system I proposed? If so please explain how and why it will create a vicious cycle. Then maybe we can discuss exactly why you would ask the perpetrators WHY and hope they tell the truth for one and don't just blow you off for another, or simply tell you why and you are still not any closer to figuring out how, outside entertaining whatever form of request or demand they have conveyed, in turn enabling such behavior as positive results are considered encouragement for further such behavior.
They are adults behaving like kids ;)
No I haven't read it. I'm done with steemit so not willing to invest much more energy, thoughts, time here, sorry.
Best of luck!!! Sure you will be doing great 👊
Are you taking a break or breaking free of steemit and going somewhere else?
I'm curious as to what prompted your decision, if I may.
Yip, I am taking a break but don´t know if/when I will be back. Currently I am powering down.
There are too many negative people around here, and to me steemit has lost great part of its fun character lately. I´m tired of it.
My very last article tried to explain my decision just in case you wanna read it :)
But that´s my single point of view / opinion. There may be still a lot of users enjoying their time here. Active user numbers are not increasing currently. But maybe the marketing efforts will bring the big revolution...