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RE: Steem is stuck in a underleveraged state
How would you explain that they are printing money? I understand that it's a metaphor, but the way I see it, the bidbots are just another mechanism to push the upvote process. Whether they exist or not, the daily generated steem gets generated either way.
everything they do is upvoting for money. They do not contribute anything good to the community. Pushing trashposts into trending for money is not something I would call a nice skill. THey just have to lay in their beds and look, hot the bot geht more and more SBD from day to day while pushing trash into trending the community did not decide to be there but a single person
Technically speaking, they aren't the one pushing trash. It's the content creator doing that. It's also the people who support the bidbots by providing delegations.
It's hard enough to search for content as it is. The true negative to bidbots is the people who use them to promote poor content. But poor content is subjective. Not all content is beneficial to all.
Let's look at another scenario. If you don't agree with the value of a piece of content, regardless if it was upvote using a bidbots service or not, how would you determine if it's beneficial to the community or not?
I'm asking because the broader question is the resolution to the problem.
The thing is that it is a difference if the community decided that it is a good post or a single person, that was paid from the author to make it look like a good post.
Everyone has a different taste but there are many people that are into all the niches out there and they will read the posts and decide if they are good or not. By using bidbots you force your post over the community. I would have the power like berniesanders, I would downvote these posts to hell.
The environment here is the same as in the world outside, full of greedy people who dont care about the community but that is exactly what makes "the good people" leave and more greedy scum arrive. Looking on long term it will just make the community look bad.
And the people delegating to bidbots are the lazy ones who want to earn passive money. But there are much more better projects on steemit you can delegate your Steempower, but they are surely less profitable..
Utopian.io for example, all the people flagging bad content, spam; curie and so on..
Explain yourself human! (Hehe)
The explanation is dumb i know, but I have to use them because everyone is using them. Reaching hot/trending on dmania without bidbots was impossible and imo my memes were better then the c/p crap.
So I upvoted them with bidbots for visibility and the community gave me the needed delegatorvotes to get the dmania upvotes from time to time
But that would not be neccessary if noone would bidbot their posts, expecially the obviously bad ones. I would like to challenge all the mememakers without bidbots and if the community would not like my memes that would be fine but without bidbots there wouldn't be any chance to enter the "competition for dmania upvotes"
Right now we are working at memeit.lol on a system that will not be affected by bidbots and will clear that problem
Ok so we're saying the same thing essentially.
@motoengineer it’s time for the news...
How does a meme contribute to the community? Its just a laugh. Do you want to make people laugh for money? or do you want to make people laugh because you want to make people laugh?
I feel like you just contradicted everything you have been posting about.
All users on Steem want both. They want to be recognized for their work and earn a little extra income to have more influence on the community. I'm no different, I'm only human.
Memes have an interest in SteemIt and they have always been and always will be there. The question is why some users consider memes as low content. You can spit it out or sit down for 20 minutes and experiment until you have created a good meme. The same applies to posts. I can spit a little in five minutes, but I can also sit on it for six hours. Accordingly, the payout will also develop in a fair community. Should the meme get 20$, other posts get 1000$.
Memes still need creativity and skills to make them good. And the artist should also be rewarded for this. I like to look at memes at them talking to me, so they should also be rewarded. The same applies to posts that entertain me or impart new knowledge to me. The community decides what is good or bad.
Memes are a comical strip that, of course, could take hours to make or seconds to make. The only person in real life who can make money making memes, would be someone who was paid to come up with a meme (likely with the intent of using it as a marketing tool).
The fact that you use bidbots "because you have to" is conflicting to me because you dont have to create the meme to make money. You can just do your job (which admittedly, i dont know what it is). Why not just make the meme because you like making memes and sharing it? If steem didnt exist, would you still make memes? Where would you post them? how much do you think its worth? Why do you think its worth that much? Aren't you effectively "taking" from the rewards pool forcefully?
I dont think artist deserve to be rewarded for their work. Their reward is their own satisfaction of creating the piece. Thats the point of art. Everything else thats done for money isn't art. It's diluted by alternative intent.
If you really wanted to invest in your content and on the platform, why not invest real money into the network? How much of your own income have you pushed into this (if you truely believe in your own content has some type of value on this network).
None of these are attacking questions, they are just aggressive probing because you're one of the few people who are actually interacting and I think that creates a ton of value on this network).
@booster916 @motoengineer @mittymartz
https://steemit.com/life/@anibas/give-or-take-a-banana
You make a good point, but it misses out on taking into account the natural behavior of humans and doesn't work well when steem outgrows its current size (and it will). People will eventually be sorting out too many bullshit posts (like the comment section of a Facebook post). To what point do you police content here?
That's the difficult part to address because every move to block purchased upvotes is a move that prevents other potential developments in the steem economy. Unfortunately, everyone is doing the bidbots thing because everyone is waiting for Smts. That's part of my argument for an underleveraged steem. People are so focused on bidbots that few else is the attention of developers.
Let's look next at another lens of bidbots. If bidbots were an advertising service and people were paying to get on the trending page, it would be fair because you pay for a specific service. I understand it defeats the point of steem and the trending page, but you cant stop people from trying to gain and advantage. That's litterally all we do as humans.
The problem people have is that buying upvotes also takes away from the public rewards pool. But what gives the pool value? Is it the content on steem? Is it the infrastructure? Is it investors? Your choice reflects on what you think steem should be.
It would seem to me that you want the content to be what is valued on steem and your pointing fingers at the investors that make the place suck (typical of real world capitalism) . But I favor the infrastructure, which leads me to the conclusion that bidbots don't really matter. They actually help stir up the economy and can be harnessed into a more positive outcome. That's only possible by allow bidbots to exist.