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RE: Thinking Out The Box: Curation Rewards

in #steemit7 years ago

I absolutely agree that 50/50 will not work. It will only make the commercial bots situation worse. They will operate at lower levels, but they will be even more present.

No matter what matrix is applied, there will always be a sweet spot and they will it. To penalize those who actually fill the pages, day after day, somehow doesn’t sit right.

I, actually, like the idea of doing away with them. Then again, I also like the 30 minutes and the reverse auction.

IMHO, I still think our solution is to evolve to a dual citizenship model. In which apps de facto get to benefit a lower maximum share than users. Because bot operators will always look for the weak spot. Just ask Google, who have invested hundreds of millions in curating. And still get gamed every day because SEO is still a viable business.

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IMHO, I still think our solution is to evolve to a dual citizenship model. In which apps de facto get to benefit a lower maximum share than users.

If you can come up with a good way to implement this I'd be interested to hear it. Here's the best I could come up with (from a previous post on the subject):

  1. Do not allow an API, simple as that. All access to the system must be through an official portal, such as Steemit.com (or SteemConnect I guess? not sure how it works under the hood). This would centralize Steemit though.
  2. Restrict API access by using a special API key that is managed by witnesses in some way. This is similar to suggestion 1 in that in order for it work there needs to be one or more central and trusted ways to access the blockchain via an official front end website. This is how Twitter and Facebook operate. Downside is again centralization, plus extra burden on (and pontental abuse by) witnesses.
  3. Tweak Steemit parameters to make human typical usage mandatory. Only allow to post every hour say, a certain amount of comments allowed per day (possibly scaled by rep?), or something more extreme like requiring more or less frequent posting to be allowed to vote.

I'm not trying to strawman here but really these are the best I can come up with.

My biggest issue is not necessarily the how but what to do when an app doesn’t identify as such. For native advertising it isn’t that big a problem. Then again greed can incite all possible wrongs.

I think it wouldn’t be too big a problem to develop SteemConnect as the auth layer for the blockchain. This can be fully decentralised and apps can target their own nodes or just happen via a default auth.steem.io.

The question is what next. Once the instance is in place we could operate even without any API while still count access requests and determine based on daily usage.

But this being open source, who defines what is commercial and what is pro bono. And what ramification options are available when apps identify (maliciously) wrongly as pro bono app. Also who decides over the ramifications?

Blockchain explorer and all similar tools would be pro bono apps as such. Commercial upvote bots are easy to identify as well. But what with voting trails? How will we determine whether a user uses them for profit or just out of laziness? Cap the number of daily uses and charge the used app beyond that number for each user?

I predict revolutions and forks, by witnesses, long before any HF with such dual citizenship happens. I think Steem Inc may even be easiest party to get on board.

Yea maybe we have to create this ourselves. But the how is the first step. It's not worth considering unless there's a how. Figure the how out and the what will follow.

I used to love the reverse auction thing. If they could make it even more clever with just a few more enhancements to discourage blind pile on voting that would be excellent

What was the reverse auction thing?

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