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RE: Steemit Update [ August 19th, 2024 ] : Steemit Engagement Challenge - Applications Invited for Season 20

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Me parecen excelentes estos cambios, están dirigidos a flexibilizar las participaciones, a la creación de contenidos educativos y a dinamizar, en fin, el formato de estos retos que se realizan durante seis semanas.

Mi pregunta es la siguiente: ¿Por qué un usuario se esmeraría en abordar temas que requieren el despliegue de conocimientos o inversión de dinero, si cuenta con las mismas opciones de obtener recompensas de los grandes curadores participando en el Juego del Diario? Observo, por ejemplo, que allí se siguen escribiendo textos tan creativos y novedosos como estos: "Querido Diario, hoy me levanté muy temprano y me dediqué a mi aseo personal"... Existen ciertas inconsistencias que se deberían revisar con el mismo ánimo con que son tratados los Challengers.

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If you take a closer look you will see that we are giving higher and more frequent rewards to people taking part in the Teaching Team courses.

If you post a Diary Game you might have a 1 in 30 chance of getting a vote from sc01/2.

If you do a Teaching Team assignment post you will have a chance of 1 in 3 (or even better) of getting a vote from sc01/2.

cc @cruzamilcar63 @casv @marcybetancourt

Soy testigo de esto, nuestro curso de gastronomía fue muy apoyado y eso animó a los alumnos a hacer mejor sus tareas, cada semana participaban más alumnos y hubo un grupo especifico que completó los 6 cursos satisfactoriamente.

Saludos cordiales, con todo respeto daré mi opinión. El juego del diario es dinámica emblemática de la plataforma, desde mi ingreso me uni a la misma y disfruto no solo de consecuentarla, sino de leer a mis compañeros steemians. Que no aporta nada? Que no educa? Reiteró que respeto las diversas opiniones , pero pienso que nada más original y de lo que se pueda aprender que de la vida misma . Es depende de la óptica con que se mire y buscar el lado significativo que todo lo tiene. También es válida la posición de quienes no les agrade exponer en la red su vida privada, su día a día, más eso es libre de escoger. Pienso que steemit sin the diary game no sería steemit. En cuanto a la valoración que se les da en recompensas, pues como todo, dependerá de la calidad de contenido inmerso y de eso saben por demás las diversas cuentas curadoras de la plataforma. Bendiciones mil para todos.

No dudo de su aseveración porque, en verdad, no calculo esas estadísticas. Sin embargo, por la cantidad de Diarios y, tomando en cuenta que existen usuarios que renunciaron a realizar publicaciones creativas y novedosas, para incursionar en el Juego del Diario (yde esto sí he sido testigo), obteniendo así más recompensas de los grandes curadores, parece que sigue siendo más rentable publicar un Diario.

What do people think?

Should Diary Game posts get less attention from Curators?

Some Diary Game posts, if well written, can be interesting and add value to the platform.

Others not so...

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Hola @steemcurator02, Los amigos @cruzamilcar63 y @marcybetancourt han abierto un tema que es de trascendencia en la plataforma, hablemos de los diarios.

Los diarios son escritos que cumplen una función al momento de permitir que un usuario que dice no tener imaginación o talento para escribir puede ingresar a la plataforma y compartir lo que hace un su (la mayoría de las veces) monótona vida, pero en lo particular creo que los diarios, el 99 % no agrega ningún tipo de valor más allá.

La gente hace diarios porque en general, desde hace algunos años que se instauraron los diarios como modelo, ha sido lo más apoyado. Por ejemplo, ayer hubo 21 publicaciones en la comunidad Colombia-Original, y de estos, 16 fueron diarios, ¿la razón?, son fáciles de hacer, pero más allá de eso, es porque es lo que por lo general más apoyan.

Esto desincentiva la creación de contenido más diverso, diferente, que si sea de valor, en lo particular hago post de medicina y quedan en 5$, pero alguien que dice que se despertó y se lavó los dientes, se tomó un café y salió a hacer mercado termina con 50$. O un post que explica como funciona una planta generadora de electricidad, con fotos propias, termina con 3$. Eso no tiene mucho sentido.

Por eso, este cambio que se está procurando me parece bastante acertado, porque una plataforma crece con inversión y con dearrollo, pero también por la calidad del contenido que se comparte. Si un ingeniero o un profesor universitario, un psiquiatra o un científico, vienen con ganas de compartir conocimiento pero nota que no es apoyado, pero si le votan un post en el que cuenta lo que comio y las dificultades que presentó por quedarse sin luz en casa, creo que sabemos que es lo que compartirá de ahí en adelante como contenido, si no es que no le interesa y se va.

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If you post a Diary Game you might have a 1 in 30 chance of getting a vote from sc01/2.

If you do a Teaching Team assignment post you will have a chance of 1 in 3 (or even better) of getting a vote from sc01/2.

Si es así, entonces puede que se esté dando el giro en el sentido correcto.

I apologize for disagreeing with you.

but I personally believe that 99% of diaries do not add any kind of value beyond that

Then who is writing 300 words and sharing 5-6 images per day with descriptions has no value to you. Isn't a post with 300 words and multiple images not considered quality content? It is simple to write about a topic, but can you take 5-6 photos each day and write 300 words? Is your life filled with different stories every day, or is each day productive? It is universal truth that we brushed our teeth everyday. Can you start the day without brushing your teeth? Not every user mentions brushing their teeth in the diary game. If you are so concerned about those common words in the diary game, why not guide the users who use them? Where have you been for a long time when users were using these words, and are you unable to assist them? Right, you can not help people; you can only discourage them without crediting those who write quality diary posts. In my opinion, it is completely mannerless.

I believe you have forgotten that the diary game is @steemitblog's most successful contest. And the diary game is an exciting content that can easily engage new users on this platform. There is no reason to discourage those who write diary games. You can encourage people to write different types of content in addition to the diary game. However, claiming that the diary game has no value is completely false. Most of the top users have 30-40k steem power in their account, which they acquired through diary game content. So there is no reason to not support the diary game.

Hello @sohanurrahman,There is no reason to excuse anything, you have every right to show and share your opinion, as much as I myself have the right to do so. And despite what you say, I maintain my position.

but can you take 5-6 photos each day and write 300 words?

In fact, it is something I can do, And it is something that even anyone can do, I even did it at the time, until I stopped doing it a time ago.

Where have you been for a long time when users were using these words, and are you unable to assist them?

Well, I have been managing a community, and present on this platform for more than 6 years.

I have created different contests and dynamics, over the years, urging users to write different posts through different dynamics, the same thing that my work team has been doing. And what we will continue doing.

I also created a YouTube channel in which I show how to enter the platform, how to publish, what the communities are, how to manage your passwords, your wallet, etc., etc.

I worked with my partner, when I was a Steem representative, on a project in which we personally guided new users of the platform.

Additionally, when I was a community curator, I not only voted and left a standard comment, but I also guided users with personalized messages, which added more work to me, but I still did it.

These are some of the things I've been doing these years. I hope to answer your question.

I'm not discouraging anyone with the diaries, I'm just stating my opinion, what I believe, based on a question the curator asked. If someone wants to continue making diaries, let them do them, and if they want to stop doing it, let them not do them, it is a personal decision.

Just as it has been my decision to share what I believe on the matter, which you may or may not agree with, it is your right.

Thank you for your input on this.

Regarding this...

I was unaware of these facts:

Take a look at the Diary Game posts in your community...

  • Very few have been voted on by sc01/2.

  • Quite a few have been awarded Booming votes.

It is a gradual change that all Community Curators and Community Admins and Moderators must play a part in.

It would be interesting to see across the platform what proportion of Booming votes go to Diary Games. Maybe somebody can do the analysis.

It would be interesting to see across the platform what proportion of Booming votes go to Diary Games. Maybe somebody can do the analysis.

I think I can add this to the Booming report, I'll be making adjustments "at least" for this week.

"It is a gradual change that all Community Curators and Community Admins and Moderators must play a part in."

Como administrador lo tendré más presente aún. Crear dinámicas que insten a publicar contenido más diverso, es parte de nuestro trabajo.

It would be interesting to see across the platform what proportion of Booming votes go to Diary Games. Maybe somebody can do the analysis.

En vista de que la cantidad de Diarios en las comunidades es elevado, representa a veces hasta un 70% de los post, puede que sea un valor similar el que se otorgue en votos a los diarios. En efecto, sería interesante saberlo.

Gracias por la respuesta. Espero que los cambios sigan en este sentido.

Las comunidades cumplen los lineamientos que emergen de la plataforma, por lo tanto, si se acuerda, con respecto a la discusión de los Diarios, que "es un cambio gradual en el que todos los curadores, administradores y moderadores de la comunidad deben participar" es necesario proponerlo formalmente y que todos los involucrados trabajen en esa dirección.

Si esto no se hace, las nuevas propuestas carecerán de incentivo, de acuerdo con la proporción de los Diarios con respecto a los demás temas que nos señala @josevas217 en su comunidad, que es un reflejo de toda la plataforma... Con el tiempo, si no se intenta seriamente encaminarse hacia los objetivos que se plantean en los Challenges, se corre el riesgo de que, en lugar de Steemit, a este ecosistema se le comience a llamar The Diary Game.

Creo que desde las comunidades podemos y debemos ser impulsaores de esos cambios. Ya trabajando en ello con nuevas propuestas, próximamente. Gracias por la mención.

Pienso que el juego del diario se ha vuelto monotonía, sin embargo se pueden encontrar diarios del cual podemos aprender algo, y de eso he sido testigo al momento que me toca verificar en la comunidad de scouts.

El caso estaría, no en dejar de recompensar los diarios, sino en qué estos sean enfocado en transmitir alguna enseñanza.

Tiene razón, amiga... Lo que debería ser es que los Diarios sean evaluados con los mismos criterios de originalidad y calidad con que son examinadas las demás publicaciones.

De igual forma, me parece bien que las publicaciones de docencia sean mejor recompensadas, ya que esas necesitan de mayor esfuerzo y mucha veces de gastos económicos.

Por mi parte me gusta la cocina y la manualidad y me encantaría formar un equipo de manualidades, ya que todavía no hay.

Quizás sea mejor plantear que el resto de las publicaciones reciban la misma atención que las del Juego del Diario...

I've tagged you in a comment under my post! This is my take on #thediarygame. I've used this title and hashtag in various ways previously also, and I'd love for you to share your thoughts on it.

Pienso igual.
Mientras el Juego del Diario sea la opción mejor pagada para qué hacer un esfuerzo en otro tipo de publicación?
Conozco usuarios que han hecho publicaciones muy valiosas y no han tenido un voto decente. Entonces optaron por el juego del Diario y han obtenido buenas recompensas. Nunca más hicieron sus fabulosas publicaciones de investigación o de creatividad.
La revisión debería hacerse y pronto.
Saludos!

Should we stop giving votes to Diary Game posts...?

Many of the Diary Games votes are given because they are selected as weekly picks by the Community Curators.

cc @cruzamilcar63 @casv @marcybetancourt

Should we stop giving votes to Diary Game posts...?

I'm in favor of deemphasizing them, which it sounds like you're already doing.

In contrast, maybe there's a way you could do something to support meaningful and unique local content that would show up in search engines. I know that some years ago, you had a local news initiative, and I'm thinking along those lines too, but I would extend that even further: write reviews of local businesses, write about public events and sporting activities in a community, etc..

For example, in the previous era of Steem - when we had apps that were intended for "micro-blogging", I ran the @rgkmb-unofficial account where I posted about local high school football games and marching band activities. It didn't get much interest on-chain, but I noticed at the time was that I was apparently the only person in the world that was writing regularly about the "Rustin High School Marching Band". Even with the lack of on-chain interest, web searches for the school brought Steemit to the top of the search engine. I'm fairly sure that Steemit must have shown up in web searches at the time for some number of people in this community.

I don't have anything specific to suggest, but maybe you could find a way to harness that general effect with your voting incentives. If people write about topics that are only of local interest, there's apparently not as much competition for search-engine real estate.

Good ideas re local...

It would be a mistake to get carried away by personal prejudices, the #thediarygame have provided a great oxygen to the platform, there is a good amount of publications related to this tag that exceeds in quality to many publications of other topics, unfortunately many find it difficult to accept diversity, photographers only like pictures, they are bothered by texts and they support themselves by the saying “a good picture says more than a thousand words”, those who love writing do not waste time on entertainment, they say that it does not provide any cognitive benefit, in short, many do not see beyond their tastes.

Imagine, Cristiano Ronaldo's fans have come to say that Messi is a poor player, and vice versa.

What would Boston Red Sox fans say if they were given tickets to see the final of the World Series between the New York Yankees and the New York Mets, I assure you they would tear up the tickets.

By this I mean that, not everyone has the same tastes, much less have “a broad point of view”.

  • It's not fair that all or most votes go towards the #thediarygame, but it's also not fair to take away the endorsement.

The diary as it is no problem but how most are written are. If it comes to good: if these good posts remove the title they wrote a good article.

The main problem with the diary is that the tricks are taught! A time table and run down what you did. To many it is waking up, brushing teeth, breakfast resting on bed, going out with a friend and resting again. Next to that sentences are repeated four times if not more often

A diary with a theme would make a great start and telling the focus has to be on...

I would love to see photo entries or drawimgs or whatever the writer did.

If it comes to writing I am the one who doesn't want pictures spoil my text. It only distracts.

This is how it should be, to encourage improvements, to generate a campaign to motivate newspaper creators not to be specific with their activities, but to generate a vision beyond the everyday, such as highlighting the weather, the transportation situation, an important event, or something like that.

Thanks for the interaction.

It's hard though I see that in knack4buzz no diaries except if entertaining. In this case, it can be: the focus on entertainment or... the writing style (you know like a stand-up comedian) those few posted are a bit better (?) if you try to see/find the entertainment part. 😐

It is possible with some training to get a group of at least 50-100 good diary writers if these people understand what a diary is. Most don't. I wonder who came up with the timetable idea since I've been told my diaries are wrong because they lack them.

Hello steemcurator02!
My point is that, everyone can't do entertaining activities everyday.Most of people have same routine of going to their workplace, taking lunch or night meals so daily reading these things are not entertaining.
If you see my diary games even,then I go to my workplace,my college,take lunch in break or in home and then sometimes do work at laptop and sometimes go to furniture factory so it is really boring for me too to write same things almost 4-5 times in a week.

Rather than focusing on diary games if you would focus on visiting #art , #cooking , #poetry , #creativewriting or #entertainment then it will bring more uniqueness at Steemit by making actual creative content more visible.

When there will be a lot of creative content then it would seek community curators attention also and then they will select that creativity as weekly best picks.

That was my point of view!
Thanks!

yes i think, should be stop to vote diary games , diary games has daily activites content, short and long, but diary post should be weekly, not daily,, my weekly daily ,, not daily diary post, content should be different, food, recipe, outdoor, travel, or informative, daily vote should be given to weekly dairy , 7 days combine diary ,,

Hola, amiga... Gracias por complementar nuestra opinión. Le confieso que he pensado en esa opción hacia donde dice que se fueron esos usuarios que conoce, pero no he dado ese paso porque me corroe el alma sumergirme en esos textos que, por lo general, nada aportan al conocimiento y se limitan a un formato pre establecido. Un gran saludo.

Los juegos del diario son la opción mejor pagada, no importa si la arepa se quema... he ahí el dilema.

Pienso igual profesor, mientras no haya reconocimiento del talento y la creatividad en su justa medida, seguiremos viendo a los sobrevalorados juegos encabezando la lista de los que se levantan temprano y hacen su aseo personal como el requisito unánime y predilecto para ser curado.

Revisar con la misma vara todas las dinámicas es impartir justicia.

¡Saludos!

Es un contrasentido que, en lo relativo a los Challengers, se insista tanto en la creatividad y en los contenidos educativos, pero se premian mayormente las publicaciones que se limitan a escribir que "me levanté a las 10 de la mañana, me fui al baño a realizar mi aseo, saludé a mi hermana y salí de paseo"...

Muchas gracias, querido amigo, por exponer su posición sobre este tema. Un gran saludo.

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