My Two Cents for Your Thoughts - Anything Less and YOU won't get PAID!

in #steemit7 years ago (edited)

Dear Redfish and Minnows

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I am going to Burst your Bubble with this post. The sad truth is, your upvote holds no value.

What do you mean? I have a penny to my name now. Of course a penny is of value!

No, your penny worth really has no value if you use it to upvote comments. It’s a truth I recently found out from @timcliff’s Proposal to make spam less profitable. Any that may not know who he is, Tim is a witness here on the STEEM blockchain. One of the fellas and gals and corps running this Steemit platform of ours.

I learned from Tim’s post that the “dust threshold” for an upvote to count is $0.02 SBD.


Here is a snippet from his post:

Here is the section of code that is currently checking the "dust threshold" (0.02 SBD). If posts/comments do not reach this threshold, the payout is rounded down to zero.

Another snippet of the defining code that sets the 0.02 threshold:

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I understand basic coding. My profession is in the IT field. I don’t particularly enjoy reading or writing them because that too is not my cup of tea. (Still trying to find out what IS my cup of tea. Perhaps it's not tea and is coffee.)

What everyone should get out of Tim’s post, even if you don’t understand the technical details behind the operation, is that any upvote below that $0.020 SBD threshold is deemed “dust” here on Steemit. Think of it as being lost in La La Land, where anything of value deteriorates and gets forgotten in time.

I Want My UpVote to Count!

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My suggestion to any newbies, those are the redfishes and minnows on here, stop upvoting comments until your upvote is worth that minimum $0.02 threshold. I understand the heart is there and you want to show support to the individuals that stopped by your post, but your upvote doesn’t help either them or you. It goes off to the Steemit world of rewards dust.

Save your upvotes for a post instead. You may be able to earn some curation rewards and you will also be supporting the author. Any redfish and minnow whose upvote worth is not yet at that magical $0.02 threshold, I would recommend to upvote comments ONLY if you want the comment to be visible and be on top. It’s a way to give your respect and to also have others read the comment(s) you deemed important or helpful.

My Penny Experience

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I started Steemit in December, 2017 on my personal account. It was a pitiful existence. My posts made nothing to pennies. My upvote value was not even worth one penny. My time on Steemit was limited enough so I wanted my voice to count by having a penny’s worth attached to my name. Only way I knew how was to buy STEEM, which I did. So I invested in the Steemit platform. I actually did a little jig at work when I saw my first penny given to a comment. Had I known the lucky number is $0.02, perhaps I would have bought a little more STEEM to reach that magic figure.

Importance of Stopping by the Witnesses’ Blog

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For many years, I was an ostrich with my head in the sand. Sure I followed the news, but only events of importance to me. I heard chitchat about cryptocurrency but didn’t care for it so I never bothered to learn about this up and coming game changer. I didn’t even know about Bitcoin until it reached $7k.

So I decided to stretch my ostrich neck up, strong and proud, and take some time to learn about this new world.

Here is why everyone should make it a point to visit the blogs of the witnesses you support.


I learned from visiting Tim’s post that the minimum threshold for an upvote to count is currently at $0.02. I also learned that he is asking for feedback on IF the minimum threshold should be set to $0.10 or even 0.25 or 1.00 SBD as a method to combat SPAM.

Why YOU should care about a change in the minimum threshold!


Simple. Look at your posts payouts. How many of them reached $0.10 or even 0.25 or 1.00 SBD? Let’s say the minimum threshold is set to $1 SBD. Remember, a minimum threshold of $1 SBD means that any comment/post not reaching that value would be considered “dust”. You would NOT get paid!

How many posts have your written that received pennies? Have you reached $1 SBD yet with your posts? How long would you continue to write if you stopped receiving those measly penny payouts?

Here is my two cents to you:


Be aware and informed of what is happening on the Steemit platform. Stop by the witnesses’ blog to see what changes they are proposing, their reasons why, and express your thoughts on the matter.

YOUR VOICE MATTERS!

There are witnesses that truly do care for the community and will listen to your comments. Do your research on the witnesses you would like to support. Our team did our research and are supporting the witnesses we feel have the community's interest at heart. There are many more to be added, that’s for sure, but we would like to make time to do our due diligence before adding others.

Thank you for stopping by! Have a BEE-ATIFIC day!

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Following witnesses, learning what projects they are involved with or started up and reading their posts is a must-do for ALL steemians.

I am NOT literate about cryptocurrency by any means, and I have learned a wealth of information from reading witness posts for the last nine months. They explain the ins-and-outs thoroughly and simple enough for all to understand.

And I agree- research and read about the witnesses before you vote. Find out what projects they endorse or are involved with, see how active they are in the community. And if you want to see an updated list of the witness standings, go here- https://steemian.info/witnesses

Hi @goldendawne. Thank you for stopping by!

Following witnesses, learning what projects they are involved with or started up and reading their posts is a must-do for ALL steemians.

I completely agree and I'm happy to see a Steemian with a higher Rep than myself point out how important it is to stay informed about the Steemit platform. I believe we have to take the time to learn/follow the witnesses to better understand their perspectives. The witnesses are the 'decision-makers', so to speak, that determine the logic changes and hard-forks down the road. Being informed and expressing our voices is the best way to help shape Steemit into a platform we could say we're proud of.

I too have found many of the witnesses's posts are well written and easy enough for us all to follow. Appreciate your input on this matter!

I would also remind you that if a vote is only worth .01, it would only happen if nobody added their own vote. if three votes happened and put the post or comment threshold above the .02, then it would pay out. So your .01 vote does count, when added to others!

Hi @wwf, appreciate you stopping by! I agree about the .01 vote counting on comments if someone comes after and support the upvote to push it past the 0.02 dust threshold. Several commenters below asked about the collective worth of an upvote. The unfortunate truth for many newbies, there won't be many people that will "support" and cast a second upvote to push it past the threshold. Especially not the newbie's own post. Many of their followers are small themselves. My suggestion is to support an author by upvoting the post instead so the newbie's upvote would count by adding with others. Plus, there is a chance to earning curation rewards.

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Hi @singing.beauty. Are you with MB? I'm not sure why you stopped by if not..and is that your curation trail that upvoted your comment to the top of my post?

Dave had told me about he dust threshold, but I didn't realize there was a proposal or exploration committee for changing it to something higher. It makes sense, but it would also make it more difficult for newbies to get ahead. Hopefully cutting down on spam accounts would make it so the dust threshold isn't necessary.

Okay, so the first issue i have with any of this is calling it $0.02 SBD. I wasn't aware we were dealing with SBD until the magic formula kicks in at payout. Otherwise, it's STU as dragosroua refers to it, or Steem token unit. So, maybe it's a matter of semantics, but I'd like a clarification on that idea first, because they may not be the same.

Second of all, there is already a plan to eliminate the dust threshold completely, in HF 20. My guess is, what Tim Cliff is polling about and what I'll cite below are not exactly the same, but they would seem to be working at cross purposes at the very least. Here's the pertinent quote from the steemitblog update on HF 20 nearly four months ago:

“Dust” vote changes

Removal of vote dust threshold

The "vote dust threshold" is a rule that prevents the occurrence of extremely weak votes. Currently, accounts must possess about 1 SP in order for a 100% Voting Power vote to be successfully posted to the blockchain. If a vote is placed that is below the required threshold, it will be rejected by the blockchain. This can create a bad user experience for new users, as their votes can fail for seemingly no reason.

In hardfork 20, this “vote dust threshold” will be removed. After this change users with any amount of SP will be able to cast votes so long as they have sufficient bandwidth. Votes that are below the threshold will be posted to the blockchain but will have no impact on rewards. This will allow users to have a better user experience on all Steem-based applications by enabling them to vote whenever they want to (as long as they don’t exceed their generous bandwidth allocation), without adding to the computational load on the blockchain by requiring that it calculate the impact of effectively powerless votes on the rewards pool. This also mitigates an attack vector by ensuring that if a malicious actor wanted to overburden the Steem blockchain, making countless small votes would not be an effective strategy.

There's also another change that's going to affect all of us even more:

Application of shift to all votes

The switch to linear rewards in hardfork 19 has had a very positive effect on user experience. HF19 ensured that the impact of each user’s vote on the rewards pool is directly proportional to their Steem Power (i.e. their stake in the platform). Users now feel more empowered, and they can see the direct correlation between the amount of Steem Power they have and the strength of their vote.

However, the switch to a linear rewards curve meant that there was less of a disincentive for casting lots of inconsequential votes (“vote spamming”). While it is important for users to be able to earn rewards whenever stakeholders (even small ones) find value in their content, it is also important to disincentivize rewarding content with respect to which no other stakeholders see value.

After discussion with the witnesses, it was decided to apply the “vote dust” shift to all votes equally. Each vote that is cast will be shifted down by about 1.219 SP. This effectively establishes a “baseline” voting strength that applies to everyone, while still maintaining a linear rewards curve for votes above the baseline. This way even large Steem Power holders won’t be able to profit from casting countless inconsequential votes.

So, I haven't personally seen that these changes have been rescinded (which doesn't mean anything) but I think Tim Cliff or anyone else who wants to propose changes should be keeping this all in mind, if they're still in play. And since I didn't see Tim refer to any of this in his post, I'm wondering what the heck is going on. :)

I took it as meaning STU. People call it so many different things that I think my brain just "translates" it. Heh.

Regarding the rest of it, I don't know. You seem to know a lot more than I do, so anything I said at this point would just be conjecture. Sorry, man.

No worries. I was just hoping to get this toward the top of the comments instead of getting it totally buried at the bottom because I think it has bearing on what Tim Cliff is talking about. If @beeyou or @davemccoy or anyone else knows anything about this, it would be good to know.

Problem is, I don't know anything other than what I've read and haven't read. So, by posting it here, people will at least know what I knew when I commented here. :)

I have to find time to read your comment @glenalbrethsen. It's very detailed. :) I think my Steemit time is over for this morning, so will loop back around once I find some time to read and think!

I'm not sure the application either, since the code states SBD. And I wonder where that plays into everything else. If you find anything out, let me know. I've comitted to changing my voting strategy as a reult of this knowledge. le sigh

I think changing the voting strategy to $0.03 is the wisest thing, since that's already in the code. Sounds like Tim Cliff isn't going to pursue his idea of raising the dust threshold payout to counter spam because there's not enough community support for it.

What I posted is actually a dust vote threshold, which isn't the same, thus my confusion. That's what happens when the same term gets used for more than one thing. Which, I suspect is what's happening with SBD being interchangeable with reward pool money, but every time I think I've figured anything related to the reward pool out, it's not what I thought it was.

Well, as it turns out, the dust threshold that I refer to is different, so no need to loop back on that. The downshift in SP might have some bearing on it. However, since Tim Cliff isn't pursuing the idea anymore, that's one less thing to be concerned with. This other though is supposed to happen whenever HF 20 arrives and would be good to know about, regardless, I guess.

Ok, no need to loop back. :) I will have to take some time to learn about HF 20. So many nuances with Steemit

Yes there are. At this point, though, I wonder what HF 20 will actually look like. The post I drew from was published around Christmas last year. At the end, the writer fully expected that HF 20 would land before the end of the year (2017). That didn't happen. So now it's four months into 2018 and there's really been no other update on HF 20 than to literally say that Steemit is no longer going to put hard deadlines on anything they're working on so they can get it right or pivot if something more needful arises.

So, as far as any of us knows here, HF 20 could be months away, and it could change from whatever they said it would be. You can go to Github and find the notes on HF 20 and try to decipher those. You can also get into one of the discord chats where devs and witnesses hang out and see what you can glean from them.

Otherwise, it happens when it happens with whatever it finally has in it. The same can be said with Hivemind, Communities and SMTs. I would think Velocity (HF 20) would be a priority, though, with so few accounts coming through on a daily basis, but something must be holding that up.

It's not an official proposal or exploration committee. I believe Tim wanted to throw a suggestion out there for feedback on combating SPAM. His suggestion might not mesh with us all, but I understand why he has to throw the thought out there. Change has to start somewhere.

you can find the post from tim cliffthat he posted two days ago

i was answering you lol i read his post 2 days ago

Oh, that's my bad. Ha ha! Sorry about that. :D

no problemo :)

What im finding hard on this site, is im a crafter not really a writer lol. I do try to write and explain myself . I was asked to join this site from my dear friend @foxyspirit she and i are FB friends for many years as well as she is a customer of mine because of my posts on fb. She thought that my crafting skill and lifestyle would be something great to share here and others would love it as well. But im finding it hard to get attention of the people other then the small group of great people that have helped me greatly already. @wwf and @earthmother so much aloha. I can only hope that if i keep at this that one day ill be able to give back for their help.
Ill keep looking around and reading , and till then posting my crafts .

Aloha for your post it helps me understand this a little more.🌺

The more you go around commenting on people's posts the more you will be noticed. Do what you keep on doing, @earthmother and I have been resteeming your posts to get more eyes on you. This is just the beginning, give yourself the time to grow my friend and it will come :) xx

Hi @aloha-creations. It sounds like your experience on here is off to a good start already with the support of foxyspirit, wwf, and earthmother. It's great to know someone from outside steemit and to have their support here with you on steemit.

As for being a crafter, you will find there are many individuals on here with unique talents. Some are poets, some writers, some artists, and some are crafters. :) It's always good to meet others and find out if you share the same interests. Very similar to FB with that respect.

I hope you do continue to keep at this. Make new steemit friends (as well as FB) and have fun! I'm glad my post was helpful. :)

I would like to point out one thing, that I think many are going to miss about this, I will use my own self as an example. While the threshold is as 0.02 SBD, this does not mean if your account has a vote and it displays as 0.02 you still will get no rewards, I have had votes at 0.04 and gained no reward, this was due to the price of SBD at the time, If steem is priced at SBD is at 2 Dollar per SBD and you vote with 100% of your vote power when you have 50 SP you will get a reward showing of 0.01 this is a value amount in FIAT US Dollar Not a value in SBD, to reach the SBD threshold level you would need four of those votes and the displayed amount woud need to be ).04 before you recieved a payment, This is my undertanding.

Hi @jan23com. You're getting into the technical details, which my geeky teammates are not around to help answer for me. :)

You make a good point about the value of the upvote fluctuating. As we all know, the $ worth given to an upvote on a comment/post does fluctuate depending on the market value of steem. From reading Tim's post and a look at the codes, the logic is analyzing the current steem price at payout. Mind you, I understand basic coding, so my teammates would have to analyze this stuff since this is their world, not mine.

Perhaps someone with more coding experience can better explain the logic here? Shoutout to @abh12345? :)

I had a discussion with @jan23com about this and I'm pretty sure this comparison is exactly to the number shown in the steemit website. Also from my knowledge of the code base.

But he has experienced while watching the values at payout time what he's saying, so I'm curious to see if there is something that's missing. We're doing another test with one of his comments paying out in 2 days. We can also easily test on someone else's comment that's about to pay out too. Let me know if you see any comments right now that are showing 0.02 right before pay out, but did not actually pay out.

Hi @eonwarped, I appreciate you stopping by to comment. I just made a comment to @jan23com about his insight, and did not realize we simply cannot rely on that 0.02 figure by the upvote value to ensure payout.

It is very interesting! I understand the intention in the whitepaper was to peg 1 SBD to 1 USD, so that would explain the rewards display being in USD. Since it's not pegged, I would really hate to find out that I have to account for the market value of the SBD to ensure my upvote to a comment counts. That's saying the magical number is now $0.04 for an upvote to count (that is if you want to play it safe). If the SBD value increases from $2 to $3, then you have to now adjust the magical number to a new figure.

WOW. Way too much thinking for the average joes like myself. I will be sure to let you know about any comments in that 0.02 ballpark range. I usually don't pay attention to the payouts, tbh.

No it's not that complicated, I'm sure of it. SBD market price does not factor into the code. Only steem price, and that directly affects the number shown on the website.

From my understanding of the code, it is simply the number shown. Just know that even if nothing happens, that number can go up and down with the steem price up until payout.

Thanks for confirming the fact that it is the steem price that is factored, and SBD market price has no impact. Whew...I thought it was steem but then got myself confused with all this SBD/Steem going around. I really do hate math and codes. I understand basics but I would have to actually sit and analyze the codes in order to understand the basics! :)

I will try to simplify, I am not too good with the tech stuff myself. But If 1 SBD was worth 1 USD. then a value of 0.02 on your post would gain a reward. If the value of SBD is 2 USD then the value of 0.04 is needed on the post to gain rewards.

There is more confusion over the reward display amount. When a user receives a vote the vote is displayed in USD. If the price of SBD is 2 dollars. this means a reward value of 0.04 is needed not a displayed amount of 0.02.

I saw this comment you made on Tim's post. It helped clarify for me too. :)

Talking your logic over in my head..that's what I do at work :)

I believe $1 SBD was initially to be pegged to $1 USD. My thinking then is the payout display is referencing that price point (if 1 SBD = 1 USD, then 0.02 is displayed and rewards earned.) Gotcha.

So since 1 SBD is not pegged to 1 USD as initially outlined in the white paper, and as you stated, if the SBD is 2 USD then the value of 0.04 is needed on the post to gain rewards.

OUCH. That would mean accounting for the market value in order to make that upvote count (not simply at the 0.02 displayed).

I've never considered that part, or even thought I had to do so. For posts, many would meet that 0.02 threshold if they have some followers. However, for comments, the steemians with more SP, if we are trying to meet that 0.02 threshold to make sure our upvote count, then we simply can't look at the 0.02 value. We would also have to look at market value too?!

Seriously? That is way too much thinking. How come no one is talking about that if that's the case? Using myself as an example, I'm doing a minimum 0.03 upvote to ensure everyone would receive a reward.

So internal SBD value is around $1.83...that means my upvote has to be closer to 0.04 for the person to see the reward? A witness should really clarify this for us!

@eoanwarped and I have had a discussion on it, we have started an experiment, We have taken one of my comments. and brought it to a value of 0.02, it is at 6 days right now. So in two more days, we will know if the 0.02 will give a payout. This will clarify the need for the value of the vote to be related to the value of SBD or Steem. I will let you know when the result comes in.

When you posted last night it was not payout time. It did say 0.02 at that time. This morning I woke up and it went to 0.00. It does seem there is more that meets the eye here. However, the code does not match Jan's explanation, so I want to discover what's really going on. Since 0.02 is at the boundary, there are two possible causes for this:

  1. Price feed change. I checked, the price feed actually went up slightly. So that's not it.
  2. rshares ratio changed for the post. And the data seems to be gone here, so I can't do any checks. Should have kept tabs on it.

Will keep digging and let you know.

Your most recent reply said you figured it out, so will wait for your post. :)

edited--just saw that almost every 0.02 upvote I gave resulted in 0 payout. What a waste, because each one was 25% of my VP.

Yes, I just realized this the other day after casting several test 3 cent votes. It has to be 4-5 or depending on the price. Wild huh?

It is a bit wild, It is a target which can be reached too. It creates a need to interact with others which I think is a great thing for a community-based platform.

Potential changes were mentioned by @steemitblog a few months ago with regards to mini votes not counting, financially at least.

It's been like this in past, as a low Steem price destroyed rewards and people with thousands of SP couldn't give a cent out with a 100% vote!

But things look more stable now, and I'm not dead against the threwshold being moved up. Votes would have to be spread around less.

Steemit.com forces 500 SP to slide, other apps and trails will allow much lower. These votes are worthless to the voter on a much larger scale than recognised - curation rewards will not be earned in many cases.

I had a 0.07% vote on my post last night, by an account with 20 SP - this is really just filling up the Blockchain 😊

Hi Asher, thanks for stopping by! One of my favorite witness! (from @steemcommunity) :)

It's been like this in past, as a low Steem price destroyed rewards and people with thousands of SP couldn't give a cent out with a 100% vote!

Really? Times have changed, that's for sure!

But things look more stable now, and I'm not dead against the threwshold being moved up. Votes would have to be spread around less.

Would new users stay if the threshold is moved higher..say to 0.10? I remembered two users from the past that received curie support, and this is back when their upvote amounted to $70+. I went the other day to see what awesome content they've posted lately, only to find out that both have given up on Steemit. If a one time $70+ upvote was not enough to get them to stay (one of them went as high as $300!), how are we supposed to retain the ones that are still hanging on despite their penny earnings if we take that away too?


Since you're here :), could you answer a questionable point that was brought up to me by @jan23com and @eonwarped?

The dust threshold is 0.02 SBD. On Steemit, the displayed value is in USD, correct? That's also the case with the slider? So since SBD is not pegged to the USD, we really have to factor in the market value of the SBD to decide the 'dust threshold'? So we can't say the 0.02 displayed will actually pay. In example, if SBD is closer to $2, then when using the slider, we should adjust to where we would give a $0.04 upvote value?

I know @davemccoy explained stu (steem units) to me but I'm still fuzzy on the details. The reason we're curious is because the guys noticed that a comment with 0.02 doesn't always pay out.

I know the reason and will be posting about this soon. It's not as complicated as that. It's simply that the website does not update the vote value over time. So the moment it shows 0.02 and no other votes are cast, you don't actually know the real value until someone else votes or until payout.

The most common factor to not having the payout is a slide in price, that's for certain. One should probably set the votes to something like 0.025 to have a bit of a buffer over time.

So as price fluctuates, as long as the value stays at 0.02 at payout time, then the person will receive the reward? Ok, I will check out the post when you make it. :)

Very good post and something that need to be focused on @beeyou... you did a wonderful job of highlighting this issue... Many people are unaware that $0.019 doesn't pay out. I have started a new campaign of giving out Payable Pennies to highlight this exact point.

Great that you did this! Keep spreading the word! :)

Payable Pennies! I'm looking forward to this campaign of yours with your newly marketed Payable Pennies. ;)

Many people are unaware that $0.019 doesn't pay out.

Heck, even I wasn't aware of this minimum threshold and I've been here for months. Many newbies probably thought the same thing I did, show support to the kind souls that stopped by the post, even if the upvote may not be of value. The fault with that is, the newbie is draining their VP and the recipient isn't even receiving the reward. They should use what small VP they have to earn curation rewards and try to build up their account. Then they could truly show support to the people that stopped by. I would not have upvoted every comment if I had known about the 0.02 threshold..or $0.019 since you are keen on preciseness. ;)

What is payable pennies? And what's a newbie nickle? I keep seeing that too.

Interesting to read this in depth perspective! I did a very simple vlog in response to that post as well, just expressing my surprise and have found that so many people didn't know about the threshold. I agree that it would be really bad for the growth of the Steemiverse, so discouraging for lil plankton.

Yes I read your post first, I think that one thing people are overlooking though is that if a comment get to the 0.020 threshold it will pay a reward. That the votes ADD up. So if a person sees a vote on a comment that does not register 0.020 then they could add a vote to it that brings it to that anti-dust level, as I did on several comments on @juliabreheny introductory post. She is new and wanted to thank the commenters on her post, (I visited her post after reading yours), so to help her, I seconded her votes.

Hi @amymya, appreciate you stopping by! Wow, I wish everyone who stopped by here had gone to your post instead. Their comments would have earned more there! :)

I'm glad to see you and @fullcoverbetting also made a post on the same issues. I found out about it from Tim's post two days ago and left my thoughts there too. I just didn't have a chance to write my own post until today. I've been lazy to write lately, but felt terrible when I stopped by my favorite newbie author's post and they showed their support to me by upvoting my comment. I thought it only right to make a post so they should know not to upvote all the comments (some are okay) and go out and try to earn curation rewards instead. That way they can build up their account.

Many many people don't know about this threshold. As I stated on the comment I left on Tim's post, I had not known myself until I read his post.

We just need to remain aware of the issue, and help second votes on occasion. (Most of our votes go to new users), and they want to get followers, and one way of doing that is via interactions and votes, on comments they recieve. So I will try to be more aware of when they vote a comment and if needed follow up with a second vote.

You are right @bashadow, and thanks for bringing awareness to any of us that have that SP to spare. We can certainly help keep a newbie's upvote to others from being turned into dust by throwing ours after. I started doing that as well. As always, thanks for showing us other ways we can help out!

A new users vote may not be much, but it does show that they think that post, or that comment was worth rewarding, if I can help them reward a fellow user/commenter, then I try to help them out.

Yes it's good to spread the word so that people are aware and can make decisions on how they vote with this knowledge :)

Great post... I had no idea but that's what happened to comment with less than $0.02. I really hope that they don't raise the threshold too much otherwise we're going to see bot usage increase a lot. although it would be nice to see them address spam somehow... I don't have the answer but I'd like to see a solution for it. I haven't taken the opportunity to look at the witnesses blog posts... But because of this article I will make the effort to take a look at them... Thank you for your continued contributions

Hi @jorlauski. Always good to see you. :)

I really hope that they don't raise the threshold too much otherwise we're going to see bot usage increase a lot.

I had no idea about the 0.02 threshold either and agreed, I hope they don't raise the threshold to a number that would encourage bot usage making it essential to 'pay to stay'. Very good point on the use of bots!

Definitely stop by the blogs of the witnesses you support and even those you don't currently support. You never know whom you may want to add onto your witness list!

I have not paid any attention to the SBD. I didn't come here to make money, but in the way I've been treated since here, I will have to allot more time to reading up on posts like this. Crypto and even Steem just hold no interest for me, but it seems that others find their pennies of fascinating interest. An old Victorian aphorism says : look after the pennies and the pounds look after themselves. The main point I found here however, is that I should read my witness more often. Thank-you @beeyou 🐝 Keep on keeping on. 😇
Resteemed.
A good resource, full of ref's.

Hey @simon62. You should spend time reading about what's going on around here. There's a lot of things that determine the success/failure of Steemit. Even if most of us didn't come here for the money. If we like this platform and support the growth, then it is in all our interest to learn. Thanks for the resteem! :)

😂😂 maybe, the robot driver, who doesn't post their own original or informative posts, and follows one about downvoting, doesn't like steemit or the community which they don't inform and just gets off on the ability to mess with other users.?? ¿
When @lynncoyle1 posted her heartfelt sadness, and I made a reply, the lady really appreciated it. But my reply was also downvoted, and THAT is disgusting. No check of content, subject of either her post or my comment. That's just plain wrong.
Be well!

Boy, that cheetah follows you around huh. Had to give your comment half my VP for it to matter.

Yes, I don't get it. If I were running a search for plagiarism and spam, that's what I'd do. To vindictively pick on a postee that has more info-posts extant than the driver of the robot is to show whole community what a bully one is. It's silly and detrimental to steemit community as a whole. The robot is guilty of having only spam. It contributes in finding users of similarities to be discussed about possible plagiarism, and the spam of caption posting to gain curation points, but then the driver continues to chase someone and spams them with a robot. Silly as I said. That driver has posted nothing in all the time I've collected that bot's spam, except a Resteem of others once or twice every two or three weeks. If a responsible person ran the robot for the stated reasons then they would be prepared to say, in public, on steemit, for all time, and for the whole community, what they are actually doing. Bullying! ¿
Keep on keeping on. 😇

Is steemit commiting suicide by bullshit?

No, I don't think so. There has to be hundreds of users posting good info, and lots of witnesses doing great work. Even that witness is chasing down phishing. In beta still, and yet to create an INDEXing research library archive robot. :-D I reckon when the ones chasing easy money work out that all well made stuff costs effort and time, then the dross will fall away and the links made within the community will extend and strengthen. Some of us might get pushed out by the downvoting, but as I mentioned, there is a means to fight back with ten IP addresses and a bit of considered post writing and one could build enough background strength to do same to any bully. Keep on keeping on. 😇

I hope that works..

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