Does Steem Suck? Let Me Tell You How I Really Feel...

in steem •  last year  (edited)

Yes, Yes Steem does suck in many ways.

  • Our Distribution/Decentralization
  • Our Inability to Reward Engaging Content without Curation Guilds or Buying Votes
  • Our Funky and Confusing Relationship with SteemIt Inc.
  • Our User Retention
  • Our Young and Immature Applications
  • Probably Many Other Things
    Yes, there are lots of sucky things about Steem.

Don't worry though, I will tell you why it doesn't matter and why I am still bullish on our Long-Term Outlook.



Bitcoin was created to give people a fast and free/cheap method to exchange value without 3rd Party Intervention. However, at it's highest points with low consumer adoption, it didn't scale. It was slow and expensive and in order to do nearly anything with it, one will still need a 3rd party.


I can't stand any ETH projects I hate Gas and it is expensive and confusing to do anything with any ETH projects. A small game with some crypto kitties brought the network to its knees.

It doesn't matter

I could continue to list the sucky crypto projects, but let's just say most of crypto is young and immature and doesn't replace many/any projects at a higher level. Most of them are run by developers who have no idea how to run a business.

I don't mind that Steem seems young and immature with plenty of issues to work out because that is the status of most of Crypto.

Unlike many other tokens, we do have a working model, the blockchain is fast and solid and none of our suckiness is unfixable.

We are ahead. We have easy passwords, a business case, a community and proof that mainstream people can be onboarded and learn to use the site, transfer tokens and exchange them. We now have community developers who have been able to write and contribute code.

We will not compete with Facebook anytime soon, but we stack up just fine against the world of Crypto and that is going to matter more and more as the Market gets flooded with Shit coins.

I encourage you to consider our issues and think about some other projects, we have room for growth and problems to solve but so does the rest of crypto.

So, I acknowledge we suck at many things and I choose not to complain about it much, because it's a bad idea to shit where you eat. (an old corporate saying for "Don't Trash Your Own Project".

Steem Sucks, Steem Anyway.


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"Steem Sucks, Steem Anyway" - A Poem

So Crypto seemed Cracked
Cos Bitcoin's Speed Slacked
Ethereum got Attacked
And Steemians Lacked Tact

But Lets Deconstruct:-

So what if Steem sucked
The System is Corrupt
Youtube can be Bucked
Facebook can be Plucked

The Solution we'll Deduct
The People we'll Instruct
The Future we'll Construct
And Fiat will be F---ed! :)

Hehe nailed it!

He did! Nice one.

Some people just have natural talent...


"Our User Retention" If I could snap my fingers and fix one thing here, that would be it.

I saw someone today who I think was about to quit and I think I may have talked him into sticking around a little longer. That isn't much but I guess it's a start.

  ·  last year (edited)

While probably many other people really quit Steemit.
I also thought about it, because I I am on Steemit for more than a year (since 2017.05.17) and almost no one (only a few people) cares about my posts and I rarely get comments. Especially real, good, meaningful comments. Most of the comments are spam or spam-like. And most of my posts are only making a few cents, no matter what I do, what I post, what I write about, how much time, work and effort I put into the posts.
So yeah, Steemit is suck. Or at least the community. But not Steem itself. That's just a cryptocurrency. And a very good and fast one, actually (no transaction fees, 3 seconds transaction time).
Yesterday I changed my mind about quitting. At least temporarily. I decided to give more time to Steemit and I also decided to be more consistent/active by trying to write daily blog posts.

How easy would it be to gather readers if you'd setup blog on some more traditional site? Honest question that I'm interested to hear answer to. When everyone tries to be a blogger here, there's just not enough readers and even if there were, not all bloggers will make the cut anyway, it's just the harsh truth.

But we do need to improve our efficiency on finding new and promising bloggers, that's for certain, it just isn't worth it for smaller SP holders as curation rewards are really low for them and bigger ones are too few and they can just choose to sell their votes for bigger return on investment. So if there were one problem I'd fix is the distribution. Too few hold too much and the power within the platform isn't utilized thanks to it and it is very sad to see.

"How easy would it be to gather readers if you'd setup blog on some more traditional site?"
Honestly? It depends on the site, but I wrote a blog about Ubuntu on the Hungarian Ubuntu website and I had readers and people commented on my posts. Nowadays I am not so active on it (I wrote my last blog post on that site on 2018.03.22).
Okay, I didn't earned a single cent with it (directly from it), but I had readers and real good, meaningful comments and since that's a community site, there are several bloggers on the website and they also have community activity on their blogs.
I also wrote a blog on Blogger, where Adsense can be used and I used it.
I was not so active on that blog, but I earned a few cents with it. Most of the readers came from the above mentioned Ubuntu website, because I mentioned my blog there.
There are other sites, where you can write a blog and get readers relatively easily.
For example HUP (Hungarian Unix Portal) or WSPRnet.
These are just two examples and the statement about the community are also true for these sites. You just have to find the proper websites.

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I'd guess it would be a lot easier to find audience, when you're writing about certain topic, on a website where people interested about it gather around

I wrote a blog about Ubuntu on the Hungarian Ubuntu

Steem ecosystem is small, certain tags do better, but it requires either connections or truly interesting content for wide audience to garner good traction just like in any other place.

Somebody could build or link websites with specific interest to Steem reward system, then it will make it easier for writers from that group to gain readers and meaningful interaction but now it's hard when everyone is competing with everyone else for attention.

It is extremely difficult and usually takes financial investment.

I think that is the most anyone can do. I know that I don't have any real influence here. We can't really effect the price on our own but we can control what content we produce. If we all try to make good content and help each other when we can, we might give some more people a reason to keep coming back.

That being said, I am no expert and I could just be thinking these things because I want them to be true lol.

It is extremely difficult and usually takes financial investment.

Well i'll read your posts and you can read mine and together we who feel stranded as lonely islands can at least send smoke signals between!


After Hardfork 20, we will be able to sign more people up. While I still think we will lose a lot of them, every round of new users we get, we get a few that see the long term and they stay.


Well done. People are looking for a return on their investment. In this case the investment is time. The whole thing about Steemit is being paid for the best content you can produce. But with less people using the platform, there are less upvotes and less return on investment for your time which leads to less people. @ned can promise what he likes, but he needs to deliver much more.

In the short term I am creating as much quality content that I can.

"In the short term I am creating as much quality content that I can."


I think we may also want to think about how we define returns. Payouts are not great and and the total number of upvotes going around is lower but the people who are here now are the ones who want to be here and right now it is easy to identify and meet each other. We can't spend that but those relationships often pay off for everyone involved down the road.

But what do I know? I'm a total noob who writes about drugs and the crazy nonsense that drifts through my mind so I could be way off base lol.

Ned runs the blockchain. He doesn't run the applications. He isn't going to fix the problems you are talking about.

The user Retention issue seems to be caused by all the other points @whatsup listed. For new users it is an uphill struggle to be noticed and unless they are willing to buy votes to get to trending they will rarely be noticed. Hopefully we can fix these other things and user retention will take care of itself.

Haha well of course but I was talking in terms of if I could make things better over night.

I know how it is out there. I won't complain because I have been growing despite the lower engagment but I don't buy votes and I don't get a ton of attention all the time so I feel the pain there for sure. Idk what the real answer is or if there even is one but I think it is still worth it to hang around and post. Plus, I can rest assured that even when payouts are low they are more than I would be getting anywhere else for my content.

Yes I know what you mean and I'm glad you are growing as am I (slowly but surely). With the price of steem at the moment it is hard to make people understand that the 10 cent they earn on a post may one day be worth alot more. I am using these times to find my voice and learn how to write while not too caught up in the steem I earn. This time on steem is a great training ground. I'm sure for many new users seeing the trending page can see unfair, until of course they find out it is all bought votes. I do hope the whole network can turn around and do what it set out to do. For me, I am still enjoying the ride.

"With the price of steem at the moment it is hard to make people understand that the 10 cent they earn on a post may one day be worth alot more."

Truth. I first heard about bitcoin when the price was less than a dollar and I said "that's stupid and it will never be worth anything." I have decided that I won't make that mistake again lol. I had just got my student loan then and had $20,000 in the bank. If I had known then what I know now, I would have spent it all and I would be writing this from my privet island lol.

I think distribution causes all the other problems. If we had more stakeholder who actually have Steem, more people would get engagement and votes.

In addition I think unrealistic expectations is our second biggest problem.

I seems like alot of the steempower in under utilised or tied up in bots and delegation. Hopefully stake holders will curate more to share the rewards based on quality. I've been here over a year and even though my growth has been slow, it has been steady and for that I'm happy enough especially coming from other social media networks.

It's going to get a whole lot worse when the new HF comes. Newbies votes will have no value at all. Like others I can't for the life of me phantom why the number one problem to fix they plan on making worse.

You are such a little Eeyore, why do you stick around and complain?

I don't mind, I even like you... Just so sad and negative. :) Cheer up buddy, maybe the next round of new users will actually be successful people who have some money instead of waiting for the money to rain down on them.

Complain or tell the truth? People on a up hill struggle are good business for the one's who hold the money who get all their attention, now they'll literally being starving to get that attention. I don't see you calling others who I consistently see writing, or how you want to put it, complaining about the way the bottom struggles a eeyore. You constantly bring the subject up in some fashion or another so how do you think some will respond. In my opinion, or one of many, the system was set up the way it was in hopes people would get tired of struggling and invest actual money into the platform to stabilize or drive the price of steem up. While I am busy being a Eeyore I might as well say that if anyone actually believes you took a forty thousand dollar hit for "the community" you can tell them I have some swamp land in Florida to sell them. No one would sit and lose forty thousand dollars unless they had another account with much more money in it somewhere on the platform. You can fool some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time. It's pretty common knowledge and practice that those in the upper tier don't have all their eggs in one basket.

Where did I say I took a 40k hit? I don't know what you are talking about.

Are you asking if I am a sock puppet of a large account? Sigh, I wish and I have a big enough ego I would tell you.

I have 2 sock puppets of my own though. So, you are right, I don't have all my eggs in one basket.

I try to encourage via engagement, but I also think this isn't for everyone. It takes time and effort and sadly the ability to earn now and not touch it. For those who can't do that, I don't see this being a positive experience.

Truth is we'd love it like a daughter no matter how it drives us crazy

Lot of other crypto projects suck FAR worse than Steem/Steemit.

There are lots of apps being developed (and already running) on the Steem blockchain. And it's running at about 1% capacity. Sure, "they" just announced that SMTs won't be a reality till Q1 of 2019... but at least they announced something.

With the current market shakeups, I think a lot of true "shitcoins" are never going to some back... at least Steem has some authentic infrastructure and economic applications.

I agree completely... We suck, we don't suck as bad as others. Over time that will begin to show.

Well let us know how the interface can help to make things less "sucky" haha
It's my opinion that helping to make things more intuitive for new users and perhaps a bit of education about how steem works is a good step.

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Hi Jarvie, I just revisited steempeak and I have to tell you, it is really very nice! I love the look, the tools and the site.

I'm so used to SteemIt, I tend to gravitate back here, but this week I am figuring out how to get used to SteemPeak.

Have you hit Ned up for delegation? Your front end is the best I have seen! Are you considering adding an SMT?

I am very impressed with the site and would like to know how to support you in getting exposure.

We will not compete with Facebook anytime soon, but we stack up just fine against the world of Crypto and that is going to matter more and more as the Market gets flooded with Shit coins.

I'm banking on this.

and #1 on my suck-list is:

Our Inability to Reward Engaging Content without Curation Guilds or Buying Votes

this is a community for people not bots.

Nah, it is a community for both. They will not go away, but I do think their power will diminish.

well, it should diminish because they're messing things up in some way . too much dependance on them. I would prefer having real engagement, and not bots upvoting me all time. I dunno, the few times I used bots to upvote my post I felt like I was cheating.

Yes engagement would be nicer. I agree.

Voting power is a bi-product of Steem Power, to exchange it isn't a bad thing, it is just that we need more than that happening.

it is just that we need more than that happening.

sorry, more in what aspect? please explain.

We need other interesting things happening on Steem. I take no issue with people buying and selling Voting Power. However, we do also need curation and engagement. It's young project, not well rounded yet. Many will not yet see the value without having a crypto mentality. It isn't that it is all about the money, it is that crypto is a young sector and still has a lot of challenges. Those who don't get it likely will not stay. They should head back to Facebook or if it is truly about an excellent platform with engagement maybe Medium.

When it comes to sucking Steemit couldn't even begin to compete with fakebook. I saw it last year and it redefined suck.

haha. I enjoy engaging with friends and family on Facebook. :) But I wouldn't try to create content.

Fakebook doesn't have content!

Lol steem does suck and so does ETH and BTC but so did the internet when it started but we didn’t let 56k dial up modems get us down we continued to internet and look at us now intenetting wirelessly and all! Keep streeming and keep on crypto’ing we will fumble around and knock our heads for the next few years but eventually we will get there and be happier for it, all about the Journey so enjoy the ride 😋 well that’s what I keep telling myself every time I continue to lose money

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^ this is the exact thing. Yes, the internet sucked and not many could access it, many didn't know how to use it.

"Steem Sucks, Steem Anyway"


Steem sucks until Steem gets into the real business model! Next year, the date announced, then we can take the lead ahead of Eth, sometimes can lead Eos! Till that, Steem sucks!


All spot on observations and insights. I'm bullish on long and take breaks during lulls like now. I'm hopeful throughout the suck though.

Haha, Hopeful throughout the suck. Love it, should become our tag line.

We have to be realistic about steem and Steemit. They are not perfect, but the technology is pretty good and we have some great communities. It's still tiny in Internet terms. Let's see how it scales to many millions

The Internet sucked for decades before it eventually no longer sucked. I won't worry.

Lol the internet still sucks the meshnet and then you really have something ... Skycoin is on the right track ...then put something like steem on the meshnet you got something ..

Mesh net.. I've been fantasizing about that idea too for a time. I guess Facebook and youtube along with the 4 other big websites are literally the AT&T and Verizon of the Web2.0 eh?

You have a mesh net of your own? I dont have them in my city (people around me sucks).

Our local ham radio club built one but only us hams have access to it ... Its built for the emergency services in the area ....But anyone can setup a node ..... Skycoin is trying to simplify the process with the router they built but they are a bit pricy ... Then there is the New York City mesh and many like it
An old post with a ;ot of info on the mesh ...

Totally, and it was hard to use, slow, etc...

We have easy passwords

We have easy wallet addresses, but passwords like 5JWs5yUu6EmJY595uFYpb7ugVtjKEG5AeAKQBqCcsW85ZSRugqPt don’t exactly roll off the tongue. 😏

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Technically you can set your own password, but it's highly NOT recommended because of bruteforce attacks (it happened before when short passwords were allowed). The long P5 password generated for you is solid and extremely difficult to bruteforce. Considering there are funds involved in your account, I'd say you can't be too careful. Besides, the password is supposed to be stored in cold storage and only used for emergencies, use the other private keys for your common transactions.


I created an html tool to change the password, but I'm hesitant to release it. I'm afraid people might start using insecure passwords, which is not a good thing.

Yeah, dang it I meant to say usernames. You are correct.

I'm still here! From the perspective of n=1, user retention is 100%. :-D

Ha! I'm still here too...

Okay I saw a poem in the comments and wanted to let my poetry speak my sentiments:

Bits and Pieces (A Poem)


Shattered into pieces
Sinking to new lows
Whales swim upstream
Minnows lose their flow
Shattered into pieces
Planktons disappear
Dolphins try to save them
Orcas kill their prey
Shattered into pieces
Dead fish float astray
Red fish buys bits
and pieces thrown away

Oh, kind of sad and true

The real core fundamental issues with STEEM are only going to be fixed when they launch SMT's. It's clear all of the development efforts and focus is on SMT's, not Steemit or the Steem blockchain.

But the upside is when SMT's launch, people will be able to create their own type site on their own section on the blockchain. Which means if there is an issue with Steem, someone can just create something of their own with their own token.

I have always felt as though STINC sees Steemit being nothing more than a portfolio piece they can use to showcase the power of SMT's. Which is why it feels so neglected.

SteemIt Inc. Is in charge of the blockchain... (SMTs) It isn't their job to fix the applications. So, they do not work on SteemIt.

Thanks @whatsup some really solid and valid points :)

I am a bit new in steem and this tale has helped me to apprehend a chunk like this platform was earlier than, I simply noticed all the help you give to the users because I have been working on it for a few days now could be high-quality, I would love someday to be one of these folks that obtain your assist, I will constantly be helping you within the comments, my buddy, I am hoping you have got a pleasant afternoon.

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Hey thanks for the resteem. Much appreciated.

it didn't scale. It was slow and expensive and in order to do nearly anything with it,

Khy khy Lightning Network Khy Khy

one will still need a 3rd party.


Isn't Lightning a 3rd party app?

Bitcoin is accepted in very few places, so to utilize it, one needs to go through and exchange and or a bank.

Isn't Lightning a 3rd party app?

And is not Steemit a 3rd party app? Steemit or Lightning Network are overlays for cryptocurrencies. Lightning allows scaling, and Steemit communicates with blockchain.

Bitcoin is accepted in very few places, so to utilize it, one needs to go through and exchange and or a bank.

Sure, but it still has a much better developed store architecture compared to Steem. As I have 2 commercial projects on Steem (shop and market), I will tell you where the problem - In terrible decisions Steemit Inc. and ned.

"jangan membuat pekerjaan sediri bagaikan sampah" adalah kutipan yang tepat untuk artikel ini. "Cabang yang patah masih memiliki batangnya"

"Don't Trash Your Own Project" is the right quote for this article. "Broken branch still has a stem"

There's still the word beta under the logo. This has been a long beta, I wonder when that will be removed? It does put it into perspective, I think its like the internet in the 90's, not great yet but getting there. It took a long time for the mainstream to see the potential of the internet, not surprising that most people don't see this new potential yet.

Yeah, the beta part. :) There are mixed feeling on that, but we are totally still under development.

I am a non tech guy and I have no idea how exactly the whole thing works. I like to connect with other people and I am getting that opportunity here. That's enough for me to stay here.

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That's great and a demographic we tend to have a hard time keeping.

Steem seems young and immature be young...

We should be focusing on how to fix what can be fixed. Having to buy BTC before being able to buy Steem is a big hurdle and forever ties us to the manipulation that effects the price swings of another coin that isn't anything like Steem.

Yeah, I agree having to buy bitcoin first is an issue.

Steem does not suck. I'm very optimistic about its long-term future. Steemit, Inc is clearly doing the right things. They were perhaps going about it a bit too slowly at first but it's looking very good at the moment. It may not be immediately obvious to people who have no background in IT. I don't really care about the short-term price action. It's so speculative and emotion-driven at this point. I think the long-term success of every blockchain project will heavily depend on the use case and the technological underpinnings. SMT's will be a game changer for Steem because during the next bull cycle the inadequacy of Ethereum as a token factory will become painfully obvious if Ethereum cannot get its own scaling solutions: A) agreed upon and B) implemented in a timely manner. I consider that unlikely. If the SMT protocol is ready for production next March, I think a great many more token projects will be implemented on the Steem blockchain. EOS will be big, too, but Steem has a two-year headstart on EOS. I'm sure there will be many kinks to work out for EOS. All the Larimer chains will have bright future going into the 2020's.

I mostly agree.

I'd say a heck of a lot of things suck, but why ruin your enjoyment of things fretting about it?

The one thing that will turn me off of Steem is the lack of engaging conversation... on my own contributions, or if I comment on other's articles...

The social aspect is missing, especially for new members...

This is the third blog site I've been on, and I've tried to get discussions going, but if someone does respond to my comments it's generally just a short sentence that seems like a minimal courtesy and not an attempt to develop a dialog...

It takes time. I'm three days shy of 2 years. My posts get a lot of engagement. But I enjoy conversation and going back and forth on a topic. Also upvote the comments you receive.

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What I'm seeing is a lot of newbies, like myself, that come to Steemit and are high value contributors that become discouraged due to a lack of interactions on their blog posting, and comments to others...

My recommendation is, if you all want Steemit to grow, you may try to show more interest in the well written, and heartfelt work of the newbies... just sayin'

I try to upvote all comments on my blog and comments, as long as they are not attempts to start slap-fights... I will gladly listen to well thought out and written counter discussions, but I have no patience for cut-and-paste memes... memes are really only a lazy person's attempt to shut down discussions...

I answer nearly every comment on my post. Again as stated in the post.
57 whales
200ish orcas
1100 dolphins
8800 minnows
60kish Redfish...

How are we supposed to engage all of you? :) It takes time and effort.

How are we supposed to engage all of you? :) It takes time and effort.

That's a good question... I wonder if an answer will be found in time to maintain the site? I've already seen at least three strong writers that appear to be losing interest since I've been posting over the last ninety days... I'm sure there are many more...

I don't think we will be a good fit for everyone for quite some time. It is going to take people who have a crypto vision. When people mine crypto they don't mine for the price today, they mine for the price in the future.

It will never be an easier path. It will only get harder. Those same strong writers will likely not find a place easier to earn than here. Those who leave didn't want to put money in... They wanted to take money out. We are not ready for that yet.

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I just wanted a place to write and have some scintillating conversations...

If Steemit is just about the money... I'm not sure I'm in the right place...

I write for the art of writing and for the feedback... with out feedback... well...

I've written almost two hundred articles online for free, and it fed my passion...

It's too bad there's a lot of potential here, but chasing money alone, won't make this place grow.

I enjoy some great conversations, and I built my account slowly over 2 years. I made 95 posts that didn't earn a thing. I absolutely enjoy engagement. In the early days I had to seek it out.

Now I get it, but I didn't get it over night.

If it doesn't work for you, I'm sorry to hear that, but as I said... Creating content and having visibility isn't easy anywhere. I created a twitter account and send out a bunch of messages, nobody engaged them at all. I started engaging with others on their accounts and guess what, my own account got some action. Building an audience is hard even where they don't hand out money.

Our Inability to Reward Engaging Content

Maybe it is a good idea, to let you know, that my team is working on project Wise, to change that :)

Interesting Noisy, I will check it out.

everything sucks in this work steem is a way no one ever thought before its only upto us how we shape things

@whatsup very well said,if crypto like bitcoin can suck then whats the big deal if steem gets suck.steem has fine developers and has room for its development and growth.Thats why I too dont complain on some issues which occurs sometimes.thanks for sharing.

Yes, a lot of people agrees. Steemit sucks. Other than that, the steem blockchain itself is a beauty. But I believe things could be a lot better in the future on here.

Suck need.
Otherwise, you dont appreciate the good times and good things in your life.
Need a "mirror", thats all.

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We have a community i.e. real human beings using it.

Everything else out there are mere ideas.

I lost faith when I got into a beta of some ICO. I was like whoa! Beta stage! Nice!

It was basic crap.

  ·  last year (edited)

Steem (STEEM) commerce seventeen.2% Lower Over Last seven Days

STEEM, Steem (CURRENC>Y:STEEM) listed up one.6% against the greenback throughout the someday amount ending at 20:00 PM japanese on August fifteenth. Over the last seven days, Steem has listed down seventeen.2% against the greenback. One Steem coin will presently be bought for concerning $0.86 or 0.00013682 BTC on cryptocurrency exchanges as well as Bittrex, Huobi, Bithumb and HitBTC. Steem encompasses a capitalisation of $235.63 million and $2.89 million value of Steem was listed on exchanges within the day of reckoning.

Icheck out a market place for digital goods.

  ·  last year (edited)

@whatsup Yes it sucks at few levels but that hardly matters in the bigger picture.

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I think Steem sucking means it will succeed. Peoplet hink facebook sucks nut it has a lot of power. Lets hope steem gets to that level.

Lol. This was hilarious and echoes a lot of my sentiment as well. The reality is that I cannot throw away two years of my life. I tried and failed.

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Good point that a lot of crypto sucks in a few ways. I think looking at the flaws is good so we don’t become a group of people blind to them

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