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RE: Proposed Changes & Curation Rewards

in #steem8 years ago

It's too bad you can't or won't see it from the uninvested new user point of view anymore.

I highly doubt it will be possible to earn 16,000 steem power, or that investing it in a platform that changes on a whim in less than a week like this would be a smart thing to do. Even upon achieving 10x that amount of rewards, the grand ability to donate a dollar for content I like is not worth the months of effort that would require. Watching you disregard all the discussion and suggestions about protecting users from bots only reinforces that idea.

People are going to be pissed off after they realize the ad campaign only applies if you invest thousands of dollars, or have a bot, or know someone. My estimate is 2-3 payouts before new user activity drops off and they go try the alternatives.

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You shouldn't expect to give away hundreds of dollars to others over the course of a month here. That's where SD will come into play, you can donate out of your own pocket anytime using these.

When you want a new user to give 1c for a first vote, that's 6$ a month - twice of what the account is worth right now. If that were possible, I'd create a lot of small accounts and let them post spam & vote for each other all the time.

Voting rewards don't count a lot when it's only a couple of votes, but the more upvotes the post receives, the more each single vote counts (also those cast before). The busier it gets here, the more eyes a post will need. Whales are limited in amount and voting power, they'll always stay an anomaly, but their domination will go down more and more over time.

@pharesim

@liondani: he mentioned tipping.

the grand ability to donate a dollar for content I like

The context behind that partial quote was not tipping, "The grand ability to donate a dollar" (by voting) would take a massive investment and months of work. Only big investments like yours for instance, at 60,000 steam power can even give over a quarter...

All everyone has been trying to point out is that when a hundred new users all upvoting the same post notice they don't have any effect at all, it will piss them off and chase them away.

Whales are limited in amount and voting power, they'll always stay an anomaly, but their domination will go down more and more over time.

Whales want to diversify their risks.

Thank you for the information Dan and everyone involved. I agree with the conclusions.

When you want a new user to give 1c for a first vote, that's 6$ a month - twice of what the account is worth right now. If that were possible, I'd create a lot of small accounts and let them post spam & vote for each other all the time.

That is not the math that I have witnessed. Please explain in detail how many users it would take.

The only vote have seen that gave a post 1cent was from a user with 8,000 steam power. This means that it would take 16,000 steam power for that user to get 1/2 the rewards, or 1 cent. It would take the votes of hundreds of normal users to give that user anything. I have yet to see even 1 cent come from users without thousands of dollars invested.

This is still completely ignoring the fact that bots will be allowed to steal most of the curation rewards, because it was just decided that nothing will be done to protect people from them (by the person who wanted to scrap the whole reward system because of them last week).

That's where SD will come into play, you can donate out of your own pocket anytime using these.

Common! You already know that tipping don't work! Give me an example it worked well somewhere!
This is what we want to change after all... If tipping was successful we are not needed in the first place.

@liondani: he mentioned tipping.

the grand ability to donate a dollar for content I like

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