Pay me for my words

in steem •  21 days ago

I would like to report that my declining of comment rewards has not only made a significant impact on the level of engagement on my posts and pushed rewards to other comments but, the example it has set has convinced several high SP users to stop self voting their comments and when they o it for visibility, they don't take from the pool.

I would like to report that but, it just isn't true. As far I can tell has happened over the last two weeks or so is that I have had to answer a to of questions as to why I am declining payouts, annoyed some people who wanted to upvote, confused @whatsup (score!) and had no significant effects whatsoever on @mattclarke who I think just likes to waste his VP and throw it back into the pool. Bloody Australians. Oh, and I got a nice vote from @berniesanders on a comment but because it went back in the pool, haejin probably sucked it up with one of his 70 posts a week and bought McDonald's or Nike stocks with it.

So, other than costing me probably 10-20 SBD in potential rewards... yeah, no effect. I love being the ripple that starts a groundswell of ... yeah, no effect. As predicted.

The problem with any kind of social movement here is that unless that movement is going to put more money into people's pockets, no one is going to jump on the bandwagon. This is why despite the warnings, pay-to-play is here to stay and there isn't likely to be an increase of SP roaming the waters searching for content gems. It feels good to have so much positive effects on the way the platform operates.

Power to the people!!

We actually do have the power to make changes here if you haven't noticed but, it requires a community working together to make them. And since the community will only ever work like mercenaries and soldiers of fortune, I don't have the Steem power to raise an army and those that do, likely don't care at this point. Don't worry though, communities will solve some of these problems and perhaps then, all of the small accounts that have been struggling will finally benefit from the communities they have been diligently building in preparation for Hivemind's arrival. You have been building communities... right?

You see, despite all the nonsense that goes on here, I personally am still bullish on Steem since I actually hold some. Which means, as long as Steem's price increases I will benefit, whether there is a community or not. My risk is holding but, I am pretty confident there will be gains to come. I always find it funny when people talk about wanting Steem to got to the moon! yet, they hold 3.345 Steem. Maybe they mean one of Jupiter's moons.

Higher the price, harder to get remember and that is exponentially so on Steem as it attracts competition to earn for free and hopefully investors who will push the price even higher still. People seem to think the work here is difficult for the return yet, how would they get other coins of they can't buy Steem?

How many people who are relying on Steem for an income are able to mine Bitcoin instead? It is a pretty amazing opportunity to be able to actually work directly for Steem. I'd think people would work harder for it as those in places where work is scarce aren't likely to have the chance to buy into other coins. Golden, golden, golden opportunity.

Of course, it would be nice to have a significant number of people benefit from holding on to some Steem and developing the community by spreading their value outward as well as inward but, for those who do hold now, it isn't really necessary. The hard part is just being patient enough to hodl until it is more mainstream and SMTs and communities get to work.

So, even though I am still wanting the community to grow and make the changes that will reshape the way people are able to earn and live their lives by creating what they enjoy, it doesn't matter too much since, I will likely be able to do just that. Sure, it won't be as sweet as if I was part of a movement to change the world but, it will likely change my world. Perhaps I should just settle for that?

Kind of a rant, some thoughts and what not... oh yeah, I will resume taking payment for my comments now and chalk the experiment up to 'Useless.'

Goodnight.

Taraz
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Btw, I quite like writing these kinds of posts. Perhaps I should concentrate on being more snarky and sarcastic?

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It just takes a few good people to lead the way and show others that by building a genuine community, we encourage good content, better retention and therefore our ecosystem grows. This means the value of STEEM goes up for everyone.

Totally agree with your points regarding rewards on steem and comparing it to mining bitcoin. I remember trying to mine lots of coins on my laptop... Didn't end well 😂😂

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I remember trying to mine lots of coins on my laptop... Didn't end well

lol. I know near nothing about mining but.. I don't think this is a recipe for success

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Haha, yes. Found that out quite quickly. It's a shame I didn't mine some bitcoin back in 2011 when I first started reading about it!

No voting power, I had to buy you a vote. Might be a while. :)

I really did enjoy this post, but the occasional rant is fun. Those who never stop ranting, not as much. :) Enjoy your evening/night whatever it is for you.

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You are definitely in the community of the future I am building... Average Sarcasm Servants.

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Let's make upvoting @tarazkp's comments great again

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Lol when I read this post my first thought was 'oh asher will be glad he can upvote @tarazkps comments gain'.

@tarazkp we can only but try, steemit is full of experiments. And I believe some of these movements and communities are forming and steemit will be a different place in years to come :-)

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@abh12345 is my biggest fan :P

It is going to take a lot of playing around to get things right for the platform and individual. I have avoided trying a lot of things out of discomfort but I think I am going to get more adventurous and live a little on the edge. People might not like some of the things however, I know I am here long-term, I am engaged and there is a lot of potential in the future to help many more than what is happening currently.

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sound exciting, I look forward to following what you do and try. I too have experimented a little. Sure I'm just a very small drop in the ocean so don't have much to lose, but I reckon I can still make a big splash. Its awesome how steemit enables experimentation and living adventurously. So far there are no right or wrongs...hmmmm....well there are loads of wrongs but lets not get into that :-)

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It's possible :P

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I am getting hats made ;)

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🤦🏻‍♂️
Felt a cold chill hearing those words

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I get to upvote your comments, this is a win, but I'm out of beer. Go figure.

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Passes @meno a beer.

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LOL, Sorry, @whatsup! I just reduced that vote to a mere 26% payout after curation, I dropped nearly 36 SBD in Fyrst's Whale MAW (booster jaw) for a foodie post I just made...

😆 Please don't slay me in Discord!

I did not look at the "details" until after I bought the vote :P

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You closed the dang window and I just got a refund. LOL, now I am going to have to start over!

This post is pretty funny. Looking through your comment and post history you rarely reply back to anyone on your posts or in other people posts either. You seem to be doing exactly what you are talking about in your first couple paragraphs.

This post makes it sound like you are some community engagement specialist yet you rarely engage in your posts...

Sure your content is ok depending on personal taste. But this community should celebrate and embrace the comment section on posts. If we don't steemit won't compete with other platforms.

Maybe I am missing something, but this post seems a little hypocritical...

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WTF flag?
I have done nothing wrong. Was offering an opinion/thought... Not cool.

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I see a lot where they engage the first few post, on some articles I think they operate sock puppets. If you look at a lot of experienced bloggers they start the engagement of comments by operating different socks of themselves. One side will pro for the article and the other side will play the con side, it often works, works rather well for stroking up a conversation. Here though basically there's a tremendous lack of spontaneous interaction like you see on some of the major blog sites like Disqus or Reddit therefore to be successful it's a necessity to invent socks...I just haven't done it yet because I already do to much talking to myself. lol.

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You have to be realistic. This platform has only existed for 2 years. That is like Facebook in 2006.

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lol.. really? Been drinking a little?

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Taraz is one of the most engaged Steemit users from what I have seen in the comment section and in giving back.

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No.I have fun with you. don't mind please

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I don't mind, hence the upvote :)

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thanks @tarazkp . have a nice day.

I stopped voting for my posts and just ended up feeling like an asshole, so I stopped doing that. People were more than happy to take my extra votes, but that's about it. So whatever. Can't beat em, join em.

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It definitely seems that there is very little chance of affecting community through humanity here.

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Givers give, takers take. I can still do both, and I'll keep it all to myself.

I love being the ripple that starts a groundswell of ... yeah, no effect. As predicted.

I have no doubt you are kind of an old elderly gypsy with clairvoyant super powers to read the future. LoL

Btw, I quite like writing these kinds of posts. Perhaps I should concentrate on being more snarky and sarcastic?

I told you mate, I've told you this ten times before. ¡Jump onto my irony & sarcasm bandwagon! You'll enjoy a ball and part of your other two doing it with your splendid and sophisticated sense of humor. };)

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I should have listened to you. I think you are kind of an old elderly gypsy with clairvoyant super powers to read the future. :D

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Hahaha Take my 0.04 cents!! In your face my dear young clairvoyant. :o)

Of course you can be more sarcastic, but still the fact that a good idea came to your mind means that others will soon come up with the same idea and maybe you can build a community together...

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The Average Sarcasm Servants. I like it.

I was rather puzzled as to why you'd turned to declining comments. I didn't think it would be of much benefit to you or anyone else, but I guess it's useful to have it confirmed. I'm still trying to find a foolproof way where doing the right thing can result in earning more than doing the wrong thing. I already know you can earn from it, but it's never as lucrative as being a selfish, greedy *#@/.

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yeah, it would be ice if there was at least some middle ground somewhere where one can earn without being a complete ass. I think there is always a loss though.

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You are wrong. Develop real trust and relationships is more lucrative. Do you think you will be on a yacht outside south of France by being selfish? Please. Selfish people do not win in life. They are fucking themselves over every second. Be a good boy pays off.

The whales staying away is an opportunity for Minnows to gain marketshare by being active and build up networks. Doesn't take many people to build up a massive successful network.

Just takes a bit of a mindset shift. As Jeff Bezos have said Your Margins is My Opportunity. If a person can remove the idea of profit and instead only invest in other humans that is when we can see magic start to happen.

To realize people is now power and we can use humans as generators to produce massive value. Clearly the Internet is not something that is going away so it's important that people have a long term mindset.

Whoever can take 0 profit for years will end up on top of this! Because it's just a simple strategy of outlast the herd that is looking for quick profits.

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Doesn't take many people to build up a massive successful network.

Nope and those that can build a network of people who are powering up a little will be in a very good position later.

Whoever can take 0 profit for years will end up on top of this! Because it's just a simple strategy of outlast the herd that is looking for quick profits.

This is what I am trying to manage. so far so good.

How about snarky, sarcastic, and short? This post seems to fit the bill.

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Short in comparison to my normal? yeah.. it feels weird but I think it is about 5000 words today so.. forgive me :P

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Hey, I like it! I was able to get through the whole post before my ADD kicked in....

Enjoyed your post @tarazkp ! Sometimes rants are awesome!upped and resteemed!👍👍👍✌

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Thank you very much. Struggling to get to comments now but trying my best to catch up.

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Your welcome! i have the same problem.👍

Amazing view...Awesome photography

I am really curious to know your prediction (price wise) for Steem in the following years...
Have a great week-end and always Steem On!😉

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I am pretty sure that it is going to go to 29 and then back to 2.

Actually, I have no idea, there are so many variables that it is pretty silly to predict but, I am hoping significantly more than 0.

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There are moments when i feel the same way... i see Steem going even to 50 and then back to 2!
I see the SMT's as the engine that will bring Steem to the Moon!

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I see STEEM at 1500 dollars. That is only 10% of Bitcoin's high price.

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I do hope from the bottom of my heart that you are right!😉

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I am right

Experiments are good. I know you like to ruffle feathers and it was a good advertising ploy. You got others talking and maybe the result you expected. What I like is you are prepared to try different things to liven things up. Curious to see what you are going to do next.

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Not sure yet but it was actually kind of freeing in a way. Stupid, but freeing ;)

The work you do is good, you look for a way for the community to grow, but it is difficult for us to be human, and we learn only on the fly ... And I am one of those who want Steem to grow even though I do not benefit, because I do not have savings I live from what I generate here, but it is gratifying to see how there are people who enjoy, travel and buy. It makes me say that if you can.

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And I am one of those who want Steem to grow even though I do not benefit, because I do not have savings I live from what I generate here, but it is gratifying to see how there are people who enjoy, travel and buy. It makes me say that if you can.

That is fair enough but try to put just a little away into Steem power, just in case it really does do very well. It will suck to miss out, especially if you really need the earnings now.

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Thanks for the friend's advice !! But at the moment this is my means to help my family.

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put half of it away and use the other half to help.

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Wow I am truly grateful, I promise to do what you say, One million!

Yes do keeping writing these sort of posts. Keep thinking positively about this community, I love the fact that although I haven’t got super rich here, every thing in my wallet was generated from the community and not through personal investment and thatbintrigues and inspires me... I was certainly on a different sort of high last year when steem price was double or triple what it is now but even so I have great hope for the platform and community still. Rome wasn’t built in a day 😉

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I was certainly on a different sort of high last year when steem price was double or triple what it is now but even so I have great hope for the platform and community still.

It will come again when the bulls run.

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I am a hodler at heart and we will have the last laugh, doubtless. ❤️

You want my personal impression of your endeavor it was that you didn't really need the money, sort of snobberish I thought, he has so much money he doesn't need me to add any value to what he has to say. Took the fun out upvoting sarcastic or sarcasm to replies also.

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it was that you didn't really need the money, sort of snobberish I thought

This is an interesting view. Thanks.

Took the fun out upvoting sarcastic or sarcasm to replies also.

This I think is the most painful to bear. It is frustrating to not be able to reward some things while others go over-rewarded.

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This I think is the most painful to bear. It is frustrating to not be able to reward some things while others go over-rewarded.

Stated that way must be a indicator of a lack of other humorous stuff to giggle at.

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lol. there isn't much ;)

I personally enjoy the snarky and sarcastic touch... I appreciate that kind of humour.
and is there some Average Sarcasm Servants membership with secret handshakes??

and all those ASSes would they be of the donkey variety or the other one??

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and all those ASSes would they be of the donkey variety or the other one??

It is going to depend on whether we can wrangle rancho into supporting us.

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this one???

:-)

What was the hypothesis for your experiment?

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There was none.

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So without any objective/intention behind your experiment how can it fail or succeed?

Self upvoting your own comments is the worst part of steem in my opinion. I saw your comment had the no money strike thru things the other day but i upvoted it anyway LOL

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lol, yeah, many did and I figure that I can probably do more with the few cents than who would likely get it anyway.

Work hard. LOLz. MEGALOLz.

This is one of the Hunt (cool product sub missions we received yesterday at Steemhunt.

It’s called Milk that upvote!

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This is Steem, what work cha talking about, mate?

Tribe building? Why, we have HF19. Dream on! I actually think you wrote this while sleeping already.

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lol, people are going to go back to wet nurses soon. With all the gadgets people use to parent, at what point do parents lose the title?

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Smart BT/WiFi enabled nappies soon. Get alerted on your phone when the nappy is full.

Winning at Parenting the Connected Way! FTW!

It takes a lot to make a ripple in a very large ocean. You might need a much bigger stone to cast to get the ripple started ;)

As for communities, I hope that the Pay It Forward Community will keep growing and we can really get some of the reward pool moved towards deserving content creators.

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Yes, I am hoping in time, things will improve but right now, people need to struggle a bit more and do what they can for themselves and each other.

i don't even know how to decline comment rewards....

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lucky. :P

edit:it is in the setting, just in case you ever need it.

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Ah it's hidden away in there.. I would have thought it'd be on a per comment basis like post rewards

I did see other users declining payment on comments. You didn't have no impact. Sometimes things take off right away, and sometimes they take a while to sink in.

Perhaps it will be time to try again when SMTs or hivemind come out.

Props from me for trying.

Thanks!

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There are a couple but unfortunately some of them shouldn't be declining. unintended consequences.

It's awesome when a rant is about championing for better. For someone working as hard as you do, your thoughts/rant matter. Maybe because you speak on behalf of ten thousand in fear of displeasing whales or unaware of what's being done to them. Thank you :)

One more thing... I am in agreement with more of these btw!

Btw, I quite like writing these kinds of posts. Perhaps I should concentrate on being more snarky and sarcastic?

I enjoyed this one.

We're frequently having conversations here and I rather like being able to reward you accordingly.

Pay-to-play is not bad when it is not detracting from the community aspect. Games like SteemMonsters or other services that use the blockchain as their data layer but do involve posting or commenting and thus are not using the posting or curating reward mechanisms create buying pressure on STEEM. That's fantastic and will alleviate the problems caused by vote buying.

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It is going to take a lot of pressure on Steem but , hopefully things like Steem monsters will start becoming more supported by people off platform too.

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Steem Monsters is but one application the Steem blockchain and the upcoming Hive and SMT's will be enable developers to create. I think @taskmaster4450 is right when he emphasizes the importance of building the technical foundation of Steem before mass onboarding or worrying about user retention or anything like that.

SteemMonsters will be storing Custom JSON data only on the blockchain, not posts, comments or messages. It will operate outside the reward pool. Of course, it can use it, but it doesn't have to. How about 100-500 popular apps using Steem as a decentralized data layer and a money system used be a total of 200 million users? With precious few of those even knowing about the social media side of Steem.

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Yes. The infrastructure is much more important at this stage. This is also why it is the best time to focus resources on community builders of the future.

And yeah, the future is not bad if we make it ;)

Let's start with a small typo :)

when they o it for visibility

I guess that o should be do.

And another one:

answer a to of questions

I guess this should have been: answer to a lot of questions.

Sorry to be acting like an editor!

While I did found it strange that you were decline upvotes on your comments, I did appreciate it! It saved me a lot of steem power, which was distributed to other Steemians. So, I don't think that the experiment was completely useless. To bad, the most who did get the small dust from me, didn't know that it was possible because you declined it!

Don't have any problems with sneaky and sarcastic post, as long as they are mixed with other posting sentiments :)

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While I did found it strange that you were declining upvotes on your ...

There are more :P

Yeah, it wasn't actually useless for me, I found it interesting how various people reacted to it.

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Crawling back under my stone out of shame :(

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Lols. I have proofread professionally but, when it comes to my own writing, I need an editor. It is part of the blindness and bias we have as we know what should be there so we miss the errors. It also depends a lot on when I write and that was about 3am.

Great post. I don't want to see steem go to the moon. I only hold 3.345 steem so that would be bad for me. Lol. I would much rather see it stay low for a while so I can gain some ground. Once I have a substantial amount, then going up would be great but for now.... A slow start is better. In my opinion, a slow start is better for everyone. We don't want it to spike and then fall. We don't want investors and bloggers to come in and see all the bad that's going on. I think we need to get the kinks worked out first.

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it will hopefully see some spikes but a steady rise as shitcoins drop away and those with use case will get supported.

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Yeah slow and steady wins the race.

Yes agree bro.
Great explanation

At least you will gain a few more rewards to power up to Sp, to gain more vote power to get more SP. a circle, but not a vicious one, one that helps you and others and the community grow.

I mentioned @dustsweeper in a comment on one of your other post. This is something if you have not yet signed up for I honestly think you should. Not for your benefit, (although you will benefit), but for the new users who look at, read, comment and vote on your post and your replies to them. Because I do a lot of voting on smaller accounts, I used to see a lot of new user votes getting turned to dust, and benefiting no one. The person that voted on my comment to them, would have wasted one of their potential reward votes, but people being people, appreciate when someone visits their post, and comments and votes on it. They want to reward in whatever small way they can that person.

There was talk of raising that "dust vote" price level. That was how I learned about it from a @timcliff post. Dave and Daniel came up with an idea to rescue those votes. I don't know if their thought was to assist the receiver or the giver, but the effect it had was it helped both people.

So now that your experiment is over, please look into it, not for yourself like I said, but for the new users that like to acknowledge a comment when they get one since they are so rare when first starting out.

You got a 2.79% upvote from @upme thanks to @whatsup! Send at least 3 SBD or 3 STEEM to get upvote for next round. Delegate STEEM POWER and start earning 100% daily payouts ( no commission ).

You have the right to make your decisions, though, I don't like the idea of declining the payout on your comments, their are some times you give great points while commenting and those points worth lots of dollars to me if I have any lol

But, declining it would denied me my right to vote those grear comments as well.

Glad you are changing your mind on that... Smile

Or yo know we just went to one of your other blogs and tossed it an upvote since your comment was payout declined. Which come to think about it is much smarter for those of us who have a smaller vote as that won't have to worry about smaller vote decreasing over the week till it no longer over the vote threshold due to nonsense going on.

Good for you! It often takes one person to do something out of the norm for others to take notice. Yes, please be more snarky and sarcastic! I love it. I feel that too many times replys are too complimented. And yes, I have often felt like leaving sarcastic replys and find myself doing the opposite.

Did you expect any different? Good for trying though either way.

So, other than costing me probably 10-20 SBD in potential rewards... yeah, no effect.

For me, the fact that you used potential rewards here makes this a valuable post in that it contains something that actually might make people thing about something important. No sarcasm, this is good.

Fantastic post friend thanks

How many people who are relying on Steem for an income are able to mine Bitcoin instead? It is a pretty amazing opportunity to be able to actually work directly for Steem
I think the opportunity to work directly for a crypto, in this case Steem, is very valuable for those who can't mine others currencies. It should be taken with the same diligence and determination as any other job

So, other than costing me probably 10-20 SBD in potential rewards... yeah, no effect.

I would call bullshit on this, but since I don't know you well, I'll try to rephrase.

I respectfully disagree. Your move in this direction made me think about my motivation for commenting, and how it was affecting the quality of my comments (at least from my own perspective)

Keep mucking around. You might not influence anyone big and important, but you might. While you wait, you might get at some 'guppies' here and there. (note I still haven't followed you back into accepting comment rewards - just another example of your error in the above quote)

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I actually understand your position albeit, different than mine. I think if people are writing/commenting aiming for reward it can come across as disingenuous and fake and it can also change what wants to be said in favour of what is acceptable to be said. However, I think that you will be able to navigate that with a little thought so when ready, take rewards again.

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Just because I have a different reason doesn't mean it's smart. I've been thinking more about you missing that big, juicy upvote, and the person who directed it at you may have been disappointed to learn that you didn't get it as intended.

I am fairly stubborn though. Maybe I'll leave it 'declined' for a bit longer.

You got a 43.16% upvote from @ocdb courtesy of @tarazkp!

The problem with any kind of social movement here is that unless that movement is going to put more money into people's pockets, no one is going to jump on the bandwagon.

Sad truth. But, a small match can start a huge forest fire. I do appreciate your efforts in trying to make Steemit great again. If more people would be less greedy like you and stop focusing on self-benefits. Have a great day!

Good ni8 sweet dreams
Its seema to very odd that someone up vote himaelf orh erself and yes agree its a time to come when everything is fine and shine soon....appreciation for your thoughts

It's rare for someone with high rep + high SP like u to not self upvote.

My respect to u man.