My Experience with Promotion Bots: The Sequel

in steem •  11 months ago

So far, I've tried to be a little scientific in my approach to studying Steem Promotion Bots. I've tested the options carefully, collecting data points here and there.

But this approach is fundamentally flawed in one respect: I only post three times a week.

That means I only collect three data points per week, which is not enough to make a meaningful conclusion in this ever-changing crypto world.

I'm saying this because a few commenters have specifically asked me to keep them updated on my experience, because they want to know if using promotion bots is worth the effort, and my approach has this blind spot that needs to be acknowledged before I can make any claims.

With that out of the way, I believe I have learned a few things over the course of the past week.

Timing

For monday's post (Muppets: Infinity War, Part 3, in case you missed it). I decided to space out my use of promotion services.

As usual, I submitted the post to MinnowsBooster right away, but I waited ten minutes before submitting the same post to Smartmarket/Smartsteem. This produced good results, as I finally managed to get Smartsteem to use the entire SBD I sent them. Meaning I did not get a large refund, but the result was still welcome.

This, however, did not work for my post on Wednesday (Netflixing: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Season 4, in case you missed it), in which I got more than 75% of my contribution refunded from Smartsteem.

It would appear that Smartmarket operates according to a very particular time schedule, and it can be difficult to get the timing just right. They seem to have a very large audience, so being able to use 100% of your contribution could really make a difference. But, alas, it is not so easy to hit that sweet spot.

Two SBD are Better than One?

For wednesday's post, I decided to splurge and give 2 SBD each to Minnowsbooster and Smartmarket.

Unfortunately, as stated above, Smartmarket used less than 25% of my SBD, and I got a 75% refund. Meaning that instead of spending 4 SBD, I only spent 2.5.

For most of my past experiments, my final cost came to about 1.5 SBD, so Wednesday's post ultimately only had 1 more SBD spent than usual.

And the results are...inconclusive. The post made about $12 overall, which is definitely on the higher end of what I usually get, but monday's post, on which I spent only 2 SBD, netted me an $11 total.

So for the additional .5 SBD, I only got 1 U.S. dollar.

On the surface, it would appear that giving each bot 2 SBD instead of 1 SBD is not more profitable. But then, I've only tried it once. And with just one data point, I can't conclusively say that this is the case.

TipU

Astute reader @milano1113 has encouraged me to try out the TipU service for greater returns. Steemit user @cardboard, who I think is the human who runs the TipU service, has also reached out to me, and I feel like I should give the service a chance.

But, at the moment, the TipU service is still small, and can only vote a few times before it needs to begin a cooldown period. From what I hear, it's trying to expand to the point where it can handle a much larger user base (and based on its popularity, it may well reach that point). Still, for now it is even harder to time than Smartmarket, though I'm still open to using it.

However, TipU can also be used as an investing service, where you send a certain amount of Steem or SBD to TipU and get a percentage of TipU's curation rewards back. I haven't tried this, but it seems like you can invest this way at any time, even during the cooldown period.

The way I understand it (and I could be wrong) is that if you want to get a TipU upvote, you send the SBD (or Steem) to TipU with the URL of your post in the "Memo" line. Whereas if you want to invest, you send the currency with the word "invest" in the memo line. Investments can apparently be done whenever, whereas getting upvotes can only be done when TipU is active (and you will get refunded if you try to get an upvote during the cooldown period).

Keeping in mind that I have not personally used TipU yet (though @milano1113 has used TipU to tip me), I can say that it seems like one of the more interesting options for raising a posts profile at this time.

Conclusion: More Data Points Needed

Like I said, I only post three times a week, and this doesn't give me a lot of opportunities to branch out and experiment.

Unfortunately, posting more frequently is not an option, as I simply do not have the time, and I am more interested in producing quality rather than quantity.

But, though I may not have any answers right now, I have gathered enough data to narrow down my questions to the ones that are most helpful:

  1. Is it advantageous to space out the time at which you give contributions to promotion bots? Giving to the two big ones at the same instant may not be the best strategy.
  2. Does the size of your contribution scale? or does giving more lead to diminishing returns?
  3. TipU is getting very popular. Is it the Steemit solution I need? or will its own popularity keep me from being able to use it?

These are the results of my current dabbling. Thank you.

[Update: By sheer luck, the @tipu cooldown period ended shortly after this post went up, so I sent TipU 5 SBDs. I got a $10 upvote, so it looks like TipU has a good ROI.]

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Interesting to read more about how users are trying to optimize their returns.

I sent smartsteem and therising to 5 sbd yesterday. Smartsteem gave me 8 something and therising 9 something.So,I think smartmarket and tipu is best bot

Check my wallet for all details

@talanhorne sir...
I'm agree with U... tipu is best bot service...but he have more rest times in the day...
Great explaination sir...thanks...

@talanhorne sir...
Actually I think most bot services are not profitable...I'm already used all bots in bot tracker....but some time profit...more times waste our SBD or Steem...
Thank u so much for sharing ur exeperince with others...

Excellent review, my friend and you are right, you can post a thousand messages a day, but if there is no quality, then there will not be much sense in it, and vice versa, you can post one message and succeed. Your questions are very relevant and make you think how to improve our implementation. Thank you @talanhorne

I've used @tipu once or twice and have profited more than by using other bots

excellent post ..loving to your blog.thanks for sharing..

In the past month I have been experimenting with bots as well. In the beginning I was loosing on my investment. One of the reasons was the Steem price dropped. You just have to figure out when it’s the best time to use them. Eventually I have used @tipu as well. His ROI is one of the best and I will continue using him. @smartmarket is great as well since he upvote you right after you send SBDs to him, which means before 28 min your post was published. This give you most of the curation rewards as well. Keep experimenting and letting us know.

You are completely right! You have to experience it yourself to figure out what’s best for you. Everyone has different goals and motivations. You seem to try promoting you content in a good way. There are people sending $100-$200... to get upvote from bots, which is not the right way these bots should be used for in my opinion. It should be used to boost your content. Look at the trending page with $700,$800...rewards and check how they got it.

I don't think to using bid bots. But I used before for promote my posts. I think it's not in good to mine. With your idea I think Tipu is better option. Before I need to check it out. Excellent Bid bots review @talanhorne.

Excellent approach to the case and you are right, the quality of posts should always be in the first place, only in this way we will achieve the greatest success! It seems to me that the use of bots can bring a certain result, but here it is necessary to correctly calculate the amount of contributions and the optimal time for using them. Thanks @talanhorne

There are several things that can be kept in mind the ROI is getting less as the popularity of the bots are increasing.

While for some most used bots https://steembottracker.com/ seems to be efficient.To know the info on the bots.

While keep us updated on the matter.

i think you have revealed the true sprite of steemit platform and here we can go with some point of view as bot are help to promote the post and also they promote what ever we submitted. but i like your approach, post 3 or 4 a week and maintain with the quality. great job and you also inspired me.

Interesting post. I used and continue to use all 3 bots mentioned in your post and @tipU is by far the most profitable for me. I haven't tried investing option yet, but plan to do that soon. Thanks!

Interesting observations on working with bots, but I think it's all individually, we must try it on our own experience. The main thing you told us on your example, the key points.

Great writing about this bot service.And thanks for sharing this tipu bot service.Today I will use rhis service.And @talanhorne You can also use @postpromoter bot. This bot also get good service.
100% upvote and resteem done.

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Yes @postpromoter has also get good servise and get profitable upvote.

You are right sir.Your thought and experience is very helpful and useful.
Thanks for sharing this tips about @tipu
I will use this service next time.

Very beautiful steem bots cryptocurrency post to you for thank you very much, and post a lot like and like post vote and comments and post share, I like this post a total of all see and this post to everyone can vote

We need more people to be BRAVE like you and speak out about bots..

Congratulations @talanhorne
Now you are in the MinnowsPower Loyalty Member List...!!!

Exceptional review about bots. Valuable update to the Steemians...!!!

100% Upvoted by @MinnowsPower

Your observations is really excellent....and you are experienced about it.... really great work .... you are inspiration to all ....

You're a good knowledge person about writing and it's very difficult.
Your job is excellent topic.
Thanks @talanhorne
Have a nice day

@talanhorne, That would be excellent summery about ROI promotion bots. I've already using this service. Sometimes I didn't received full amount of invest SBD or steem. Currently I most use smartsteem. It given some profitable amount. I don't use Tipu service and think it's better time to try. Look....Thanks for given massive update.

Minnowbooster is my favorite. I have used smartsteem too, and it is good one too. But I am yet to experment other bots with their profitibility, ROI after curation.

welcome back again

Contact the case, in this way we will achieve the greatest success! It seems that the use of bots can bring a specific result, thanks @talanhorne

#resteem

Nice shoot

Thanks for sharing your valuable content..especially thanks for discuss about bots..cause i gain knowledge to your post in bots ..well done.

I've never experience of promotion bots. But I see via steembottracker some information. I'm new to steemit so I learn more from your this article about bots. Excellent explained @talanhorne.

Nice review given. For me, smartsteem, postpromoter given some extra rewards our sending sbd and steem's. Agreed with of tipu service. I have seen some author's post tipu's upvotes. But some bots waste our money. Thank you to assistance.

Very impresive sir to give us all that informtion about bots after read all i should try bot and i wish it should be good for me .

Interesting tip & the way you try this option is a good guide for the all steemians. Nice writing of a good content.

you showing always great post in your blog..its really important for every steemians..because your great experiences rules helped me and all steemians alots of new thing knowing their steemit work matter.your knowledge creativity always perfect and original.i appreciate your post and respect your blog.you are super hero in the steemit platform..very well done.my dear friend.. @talanhorne best of luck of your great work.. thanks to sharing for your great experience thought ...

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THANK YOU!! You know what? I've been thinking exactly along the same line of thought as yourself and I agree whole heartily with your point of view and your comment. So keep up the good work and stay in touch by making more good and even more regular comments. Thanks again friend.

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apart from @minnowbooster i have used @appreciator and i have got positive results
i would like to give @tipu a shot once

@talanhorne
Thank i need these words . i also want to use promotion bots but not getting a good response .

I am using smartsteem it is also good to me so far . but i dnt know how much i pay for a good response . so you make me thankful for these awesome words .
I will try your experience on my next pist . hope it work for me also .

Thank you for giving me a good way to use bots.

yes thanks for sharing your experience sir.....

Hello @talanhorne,

Extraordinary good review of Promotional Bots & TipU. Incredible findings & well shared.

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@talanhorne

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timing is the key success factor for every bot. very useful personal experience. thank you for review. @talanhorne

@resteemia
reteemed & upvoted

i think its a great job finish now....thanks for great article share with us..

I'm using minnowbooster and have got about the same return, no profits no losses.
I don't understand how it works yet.
I'll have to check @tipu
It refunded me the previous time

excellent post sir, i like it, upvote and resteem

Brilliant writing @talanhorne
Have a great day

wonderful, thank you for your helpful information, resteem

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it gives me so much pleasant so easily...
just love to read your post...
i have nothing to explain..
such a great post.

Great review my dear one of the great post

really great post @talanhorne
upvote and resteem

Thanks for revealing these options.
It's good to have a perception of trust before indulging in an adventure for profit...........

fabulous post , upvote and resteem

so interesting post. I believe that steem is good opportunity...........I hope you have a wonderful day.

I am using smartsteem it is also good to me so far . but i dnt know how much i pay for a good response . so you make me thankful for these awesome words .
I will try your experience on my next post . hope it work for me also .

Promo bot strategies aren't shared by lots of users. But you do. That's the uniqueness of yours.

Many thanks for the information on the use of bots. Very useful.

you can post one message and succeed. Your questions are very relevant and make you think how to improve our implementation. Thank you @talanhorne

with using bots you post are more get noticed.
with upvotes by bots rank of your post increased.and then new people see your posts and upvote if you post quality content.

I really don't get benefits from other bots, but nowadays Minnowbooster is giving you benefit @talanhorne, you must try it.

Cryptocurrencies are the future and thank goodness that we are part of it..good post

Very informative post.i have a lot of learn experience bots .loving your blog.thanks for sharing.
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Interesting to read more about how users are trying to optimize their returns.excellent post ..loving to your blog.thanks for sharing..

Thanks for sharing dear.
Upvote and resteem done.

Wonderful writting @talanhorne
100% upvote and resteem done

Hi @talanhorne! You have received 1.0 SBD tip from @cardboard!

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That is article is professional & Excellent writing . so great experience.
Thanks @talanhorne
100% like and resteem

I was surprised you @talanhorne, because every post you always good.

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Upvote Resteem

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Upvote/Resteem
@talanhorne

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Thanks for sharing your valuable post..
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I wish you success in this steemit by your bots post.
Carry on your activity ..
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@talanhorne
Upvote Resteem

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Please Stop - @steem247

You just said "excellent blog" and in your your last 100 comments you used 43 phrases considered to be spam and you made this exact same comment 1 times. You've received 0 flags and you may see more on comments like these. These comments are the reason why your Steem Sincerity API classification scores are Spam: 78.50% and Bot: 2.30%

Please stop making comments like this and read the ways to avoid @pleasestop and earn the support of the community.

@talanhorne,
Are you using https://steembottracker.com/
I tried to follow your strategy, but I didn't get it very well! So still attached with up vote bots!
In this service type, our posts resteemed and also get up votes? Am I correct bro?

Cheers~

This second part of promotinal bots is very interesting sir this is a great indepth explanation thanks a lot sir love your blog posts so much.

That's really good work data collecting is really difficult task so that's why i decide to upload post about photography that is easy for me. As i have lost of my laptop and i am using this website through my mobile which is really irritating. Wish you good luck. I am the first who comments on your post.Hope you like 🙂

This is great publishing and great writing experience.
@talanhorne

Amazing one sir,thanks a lot for your indepth explanation.

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Please Stop - @bigbosstear

You just said "amazing one" and in your your last 100 comments you used 48 phrases considered to be spam and you made this exact same comment 1 times. You've received 2 flags and you may see more on comments like these. These comments are the reason why your Steem Sincerity API classification scores are Spam: 79.10% and Bot: 3.70%

Please stop making comments like this and read the ways to avoid @pleasestop and earn the support of the community.

Amazing sir its great techniques to optimise our earnings,as a fan i love your blog so much sir.

Love this one sir this is as best as first part thanks a lot sir have a great day i always enjoys your blog posts.

interesting analysis along with using bots you have done even i got to know a lot about them now

Hi there, thanks for testing @tipU. I just wanted to clarify one thing:

where you send a certain amount of Steem or SBD to TipU and get a percentage of TipU's curation rewards back

Not only curation rewards but also profit :) so the investment is treated as STEEM POWER delegation, but you can refund your investment whenever you like. And you're right about @tipU recovering voting power most of the time, recently I've made some changes to the voting schedule which should help a little.

Also tip! 1 :)

i am also tired of bots, but i still use smartstreem and minnowbooster because they are the best in my eyes.

I’m the new user of steemit .... it’s nice to hear about bots and how they are helpful to us ... I hope in future I will use bots ... thanks for letting me know about bots

I have used minnowbooster so far .In the mean time will get to use the others in the coming days.

@talanhorne - Sir I don't know TipU has vote bot service... I thought it's a tip others service... Nice update Sir... Very useful...

+W+

Bot's can help you to spread a message, that is worth spreading. If you have very few follower's, there is a high chance that you post will get buried in the abyss called the "new tab", if you don't make use of their services.