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RE: Steemit Update

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Steem isn't working because it has a worse governance structure than the US government. A representative plutocracy, with a shit distribution. Look how much energy is wasted with accounts like @berniesanders and all his "foes". The only way to beat the massive inflation in this system is to fight back with selfishness and self vote yourself above the inflation rate. Witness responsibilities are vague. Accounts are impossible to get for the average person (I have a friend who has been on a waiting list for months). Who is going to use a blogging platform that is Pay to Play that has almost zero viewers? It's not a coincidence that the view count was removed from steemit.com, nobody looks at content here.

The only way a system like this can work is through co-operation but there is no mechanism in which to cooperate. It just becomes every person for them selves, who can find the best delegation bot, or suck the proper orifice for upvotes.

#1 problem with steem is distribution which puts the responsibilty of the platform on the 'whales'. This platform has stumbled with no focused attempt to get actual users on the platform. With curation being broken There needs to be more delegation to hire professional curators for the network... the front page has been embarrassing for the entire two years I've been on the platform, and genuinely interesting bloggers have been overlooked again and again. Users need either viewership or compensation and steem has provided neither except for those who have bought in.

Please @ned act like an open source project and opensource your SMT code, maybe the community can actually get it done.

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We create accounts for anyone with delegation. Check out @comedyopenmic and hit up the strawberry of death in the discord for an account foe your friend.

Thanks for the tip, and I'll do that, but it shouldn't be that hard. The fastest growing sites are usable with a click of a button. The simpler the sign up the better. Wallets need to be handled and spam precautions are important.. but maybe wallets should be instant with a nagging to learn about it.

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it's a artifact of the old way of creating accounts. now accounts are minimally usable upon creation with like 3 comments / week. Unless the user invests and buys their own steem. I agree though, the account / wallet creation should be free.

Some of us have invested money in steem and only lost it. I've worked hard curating on the platform trying to make it a more hospitable place for artists because I want them to get some of this "free money" but in the end most are ignored, get no views or upvotes, and I've wasted my time and money.

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And I'm supposed to feel bad because they weren't determined enough to stick this place out for the long haul? lol. Go back to facebook, twitter etc. And have fun there paying to "boost" your own post. That's what facebook does, they make you pay them, so they will show your post to more of your audience. The people that already "like" your page anyways. Facebook doesn't let them all see your stuff. It will go into the feeds of only like 1% of your audience, unless you want to cough up some dough.

Thats what people do here too... They pay to boost their own posts but instead of actually getting hundreds or thousands of views from it on Facebook, they get 29 views here on steem, and are spammed by a bunch of bots in the comments.

I've been on here for two years, I've been sticking it out, this place has major problems, but I want it to succeed. Im just pissed at others profiting off of the work I put in, which is mostly how the economy here works.

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I don't use bots and have worked my ass off to build a community of real people who actually upvote my posts and have supported each other. I've made money but it certainly isn't free, nor has it been my focus for why I'm here.

I curate a lot and it took real, continual effort and constant support of others to make that happen.

Sure the price is down and it kind of sucks, but markets go up and markets go down. That's just life. What is still here and why I'm still here is the communities I'm involved with. That is the real value here, not the rewards.

I've made some really good friends, met many of them IRL and hang out with them more than my friends on Facebook or Twitter.

I'm staying here no matter the price. Felt that way when Steem was .10 cents, $10, whatever.

The community is the value and engages more here than on other platforms. Because of that, I'm all in and totally hooked.

Bid bots suck, literally and figuratively. Sorry you got sucked in by them, sounds like you know better now. I'm glad you're sticking it out. It's up to us all to make the blockchain great. I hope you realize your part to play.

I don't ever use bidbots. But most users here do.

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#1 problem with steem is distribution which puts the responsibilty of the platform on the 'whales'.

Please check this out: Why our way of distributing Steem by voting sucks, why it does not scale and how we can improve this situation

My team is working an a solution: Wise - 2nd layer voting protocol for Steem, which helps curate better content. https://wise.vote/. It is already working, but we should have a official release very soon.

There needs to be more delegation to hire professional curators for the network

Steem community already have all professional curators we need. The problem is... that those curators are not properly empowered.

Wise was beta-tested among polish community and few early adopters. To give you some example of possibilities of Wise, currently I am delegating single votes (not SteemPower, but single votes!) to 30+ people, which I considered experts in certain area of expertise.

How this scale? Everyone can delegate single votes to chosen users which focus on own areas of interest. Wise protocol is non-profit and open-source.

I find this plan very interesting. I will have to think about it more deeply. I did go to read the original post and gave it a quick read.

You got a 2.50% upvote from @oceanwhale courtesy of @industriousliv! Earn 100% earning payout by delegating SP to @oceanwhale. Visit www.OceanWhaleBot.com for details!

Looks interesting. Do you have any plans for connecting delegators and voters? For example I have been working hard to support artists on the platform, I have voted very unselfishly for a long time because that is how I think the platform would work best, but my stake is so small, and I have no one to ask to help me with vote power in this task. Where do I go to find a whale interested in the types of votes that I make?

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Do you have any plans for connecting delegators and voters?

On our Wise Hub experts/curators will be able to generate links, which will allow delegators (aka. Wise Patrons) to delegate a certain amount of votes per week under specified conditions.

So for example you will be able to add to your post a "magic link" with a description:

Please delegate to me 5 of your votes per week, which Wise protocol will allow me to use only to post with tag #art

It's very tempting for us to implement list of top wise curators with categories... but personally I do not want to create such a ranking, because a lot of people would later just chose top curators... and that could spoil those curators and decrease decentralization of Wise.

Take a look on this (our brochure from SteemFest):

so the link generator isn't available yet correct? This is exciting, i'm looking forward to trying this out. Any interest in delegating me some ammount for a week in #art to try it out? Or know any one using the platform interested in supporting artists?

so the link generator isn't available yet correct?
No. Link generator will should be available in 2-3 weeks.

This is exciting, i'm looking forward to trying this out. Any interest in delegating me some ammount for a week in #art to try it out?

I just did that few minutes ago :) Please check this comment.

Or know any one using the platform interested in supporting artists?

Wise is young project... but currently users like you have an incentive to ask other users for single-votes-delegation. I believe you can ask all your friends which know that you are an expert in art, to delegate you just a few votes per week. They can restrict this... so you will not be able to use their vote for example if they will not have a lot of voting power.

I believe it should be easier to convince someone to delegate 1 vote per week, and to remain in control... rather than delegating SteemPower and lose a control over it.

This is exciting

I am glad that you like it :)

Cool I'll take a look

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Professional curators? Are you kiding me? So you will say they you have pros and they are doing a shit job.... wtf...
lets give them more money, maybe then they will make better job....reduces... waw... 5976EEFA-7952-481A-B2D4-5509FF9CEF7D.jpeg
Time for a change. Steem on✌️
@solar I made this post also today. So you see the same problem to ... and I thnik we are not the only one

I just mean that if some people set some goals to create a healthy ecosytem of users like: "we want to have 1000 artists that post at least once a week", then a hired curator with delegated steem could focus on a certain type of voting, and reblogging. This happens a bit, people have built communities around certain ideas, but ultimately the most interesting content gets drowned out by the most persistent content, or those who are self voting.

There are some good programs out there like @curie @utopian-io but not nearly enough actual community building has been supported on the platform.

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@solar I will add only this....

As I told in my previous post... Im working with on of the top movie makers in the world!!!

Nobody give a ..... not even @dtube

I have the

world leading expert in weather photography and storm chasing,

interestet in STEEM (oh yes, we have a accound) YES, you all have seen his work !!!...
but still nobody give a ....
@ned, maybe you will see a little value and maybe even help

I mean your posts are making more than most people's. Its not a lot but honestly payment should be secondary to views on the platform in my opinion.

None of this is simple, but where we can agree is what we have isn't working.

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I worked my ass of to get where Im today.... As most people here, I have a job... the rest in in photo and videografy ...stock video! What you see on my profile in 2 years of hard work!. DAY AND NIGHT.... its about money, but it not all money.,.... it more about other Soc.Pla. ..taking edvantage of creators....

AND STEEM COULD CHANGE THAT!

When I heard about STEEMIT ...I was like...
BRO WAY DIDNT YOU TELL ME SOONER!!!!
Now, I m getting an idea.
How I did get good upvote is that there is still some smart curator ....( BIG) IF he will find you... in this mess of falls tags, upvotes...and bad useless posts....
.... hm... A little marketing strategy...

P.s.: Im from EU. I did work yesterday, I work all night on videos and photos for stock and now also for steem... an in 2h Im going back to work.... so you get the idea.
BUT I LOVE WHAT I DO.... SO ITS NOT HARD FOR ME... ok job sucks .... but I do it, so I can follow my dream!

The main thing... That, WE ALL are aware of the problem!!!!
STEP BY STEP

There nothing else I could add...

Millions were wasted on sh... content and only a handful of good people stayed.

It's still not completely lost case, but I feel that Steemit is not holding the wheel, brakes, clutch and acceleration pedal.

Our destiny is in the hands of general crypto market and all we can do is the equivalent of changing the radio stations.

@alexs1320 And what should I add...?

I can ask you... How can you stay so calm..cuz this is the 3.time, that I'm rewriting this comment.......
But it only means, that I m willing to fight for it for what I belive.

For me the sad part is, when you comes with a solution and nobody F..... cares.

I noticed that you created a ruleset for yourself:

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Yeah, protocol allows that, but this doesn't make to much sense in this configuration.

Best use case is... when someone with much stronger votes allow you to vote on his vote.

So, I created a 2 votes per week delegation to you:

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So now you can vote on my behalf via https://wise.vote/voting-page/

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Use it wisely :)

Thanks @noisy yeah I didn't know what I was doing. Thanks so much, ill try it out this week!

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So you will say they you have pros and they are doing a shit job

The key is allow each curator to focus only on things which he or she really likes.

For example, I read tag #steemdev anyway... and I enjoy that so this is not a hard job for me to curate this content.

For example, in polish community there is a girl which only focus on cooking. Cooking is her hobby and she reads this content anyway. They key thing here is that for example I delegated to her few of my votes per week, but she can only use that on posts about cooking.

She is not doing this for free either. Because she can use my much stronger vote, she can vote first and then use my vote... and maximize own curation rewards even 10-20 times.

Important thing is.. that she do note have to use my vote. If she will not do that it won't be wasted, because it will be used by other curators on other tags. If she will abuse my vote, I can cancel it or reduce or remove whole delegation.

This a decentralized voting done in a Wise way.

I CAN T BELIVE THIS....

........The key is allow each curator to focus only on things which he or she really likes...... SO

So curators are PROS, but tehy upvote what they like ?

Its like you saying, we have educated, qualefide people in space.

And then you say we have a gardner, music teacher , dancer....

BUT

...they are making a good job!

..... stopp the madness! The mindset, that you have... it old and it's not working anymore...

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That is a good read, I had not considered how it could get challenging voting organically once your vote is worth more.

That's so cool you're doing that. We met and talked at Steefest3. I curate Steemit Open Mic, the longest running contest on Steemit and am interested in getting a single upvote delegation from you to give to someone who enters the contest. Please consider delegating and thanks for the work you're doing. Really cool stuff.

I would be verry happy to delegate my votes/voting power to people like you. The problem is... that I already delegate to 30 people. And because of current price of Steem this vote currently is not worth as much as it used to.

So you shouldn't asked me, but people which do not use own voting power... or vote for less-than-ideal content.

Also.. I belive that delegating someone voting power or single votes... so this person could vote themself... is far from being optimal. It still much better than autoupvoter (because you could decide when you would like to use stronger votes), but optimal way is to curate content you like and which you are really an expert about it.

So for example, what is your area of expertise. In which fields you could very easilly spot trully remarkable posts? And in which field you could very easilly distinguish great posts from average or bad posts?

Interesting you mention self-upvoting. Until the last couple months I only upvoted others, not myself. Recently I have though. However, if I had a delegation I would not use it on myself ever.

I had a delegation for quite some time and when it started I stopped upvoting myself entirely because I was earning enough from curation that it made more sense to save the voting power for others. Running Open Mic takes a lot of votes, so much so that my voting power was always low until @ausbitbank created an account for others to delegate to that only upvote my manually curated upvotes for the openmic tag.

It was so cool he did that without even telling me until it was done. That way I could reduce my voting slider and keep upvoting hundreds of people a week and the other account he created boosted my vote.

It's people like that doing cool things like that that make you realize you're on the right path.

I will stay with Steem for now.

This things take time...

But did Steemit fall like Gab, Minds, Bitchute, Brighteon (Real Video), Infowars, you know, because those websites were attacked, and they continue to be attacked, & even Facebook was attacked, and some of those social networks fell, crashed, at least for a while, but that didn't happen to Steemit, at least not yet, right, which is better than being vulnerable when you are not decentralized, and Gab fell because it was not decentralized, right?

Did you see how bitshares just froze? And people lost shittons of money?

Steem freezes often. I've seen it happen a bunch of times over the last year. Steem is also affected by the markets way too much. A working publishing platform should be able to operate no matter the state of the market, otherwise it's not working right.

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Agreed. Can we seed & mine Steem at all like Bitcoin & BitTorrent? That's what I want for Christmas.

Not really. Steem uses DPoS, so you would have to compete to become a witness which is near impossible without sucking some major D.

Mining here is more about creating consistent blog posts and finding community which will support you.

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When I say mine, I'm trying to reference the computer servers, nodes, that run the Steem blockchain. I want to say "MINING." Or, I also like the other term used on BitTorrent, "SEEDING." But I'm trying to describe either what serving, witnessing, is, or what it should include for Steem. I just want to get more people involved in witnessing. I want more computer servers, nodes, & more compensation for all of that, for Steem, like we might already see with Bitcoin. Why can't Steem borrow from BitTorrent & Bitcoin?

Well it would need a redesign from the ground up which would break the blockchain. Its very hard to change blockchains once they have started. I'd suggest googling steem dpos witness to understand how it works. Its competitive and only ever a small finite number of them

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Well it would need a redesign from the ground up which would break the blockchain. Its very hard to change blockchains once they have started. I'd suggest googling steem dpos witness to understand how it works. Its competitive and only ever a small finite number of them

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Well it would need a redesign from the ground up which would break the blockchain. Its very hard to change blockchains once they have started. I'd suggest googling steem dpos witness to understand how it works. Its competitive and only ever a small finite number of them

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That might mean that a better blockchain social network will emerge from the ashes someday if it hasn't already, then, maybe.

Yes, this space is still so young. I know of a dozen different projects with different approaches. It will take time.

I'm interested in non crypto social media too like diaspora

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We were attacked once and it slowed down the Steemit website for a couple days and made it really hard to post.

How often is Bitcoin attacked? I wanted to emphasize on the difference between Steem getting hit and Gab. We saw Gab down for a whole week because of what happened for example. Decentralized networks can handle attacks better.

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