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RE: Clarifying my decision not to support EOS-related posts and witnesses (100% of post rewards donated to curation initiatives)

in #steem6 years ago

Um not sure where you are headed man, that's pretty much our whole argument. We want people here, focused on making here better, not a house divided where a resource (person/team) is trying to make two things better at once that at times may be at odds.

Isn't the whole reason you and Anyx are going to go to EOS is because of "what it could do" thus taking time away from being here "making it better?" It is impossible for it NOT to take your focus and split it.

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Isn't the whole reason you and Anyx are going to go to EOS is because of "what it could do" thus taking time away from being here "making it better?"

This comment was more and comparing "SMTs" to the "cross-chain" whitepaper you spoke of. Those are both "what it could do" technologies and definitely not "making what we have better". In this regard, none of those have anything to do with witnesses or their responsibilities.

It is impossible for it NOT to take your focus and split it.

That's not the point. Of course my attention gets split, but what matters is what my responsibilities are.

Currently I'd probably estimate that my typical week looks something like this:

  • 30-40 hours writing code (probably 75% steem related)
  • 5-10 hours engaged in conversations about steem (witness politics, steemdevs chat, helping other devs)
  • 5-10 hours engaged in conversations about non-steem (other witness politics, other industry chat, etc)

What happens if I don't have to spent 30-40 hours a week on code? That's an additional 30-40 hours that could be allocated elsewhere. My new typical week could look more like:

  • 5-10 hours writing code + leading other developers
  • 10-20 hours engaging in conversations about steem projects
  • 10-20 hours engaging in conversations about eos projects
  • 10-20 hours engaging in conversations about non-steem projects

While you are right, my attention is split between more individual things, what matters is the amount of attention each one is getting and the balance it achieves.

Also - I'm not saying this is what will happening - but I'm saying situations exist where it is possible. You can't just judge situations like this without really looking into the specifics.

No snark, I think you have a typo here

10-20 hours engaging in conversations about steem projects
10-20 hours engaging in conversations about eos projects
10-20 hours engaging in conversations about non-steem projects

Because did you mean non-steem AND non-eos?

Anyway...

70 hours on both platforms? And you get paid what? While the people I see building massive communities (user retention) or building new apps like dsound or whatever (user adoption AND retention) and then ALSO staying relevant through constant engagement, could never do it in such a small amount of time and are typically in the mid range ranks.

I did mean non-steem AND non-eos, sorry I didn't expand on that.

I do a lot with other blockchains as well. I just wanted to illustrate that I could increase the amount of time I spent on Steem, dedicate just as much time to EOS, and then keep contributing to the other projects as well. The overall hours to me are what's important, and I'm spending a lot of them coding.

No snark here either - but I'm not sure what we're talking about with the last paragraph.

I'm saying that perhaps those who are actually dedicated full time or greater to one platform deserve the top slots and part-timers with competing interests for their time don't deserve top slots.

We both know the voters will decide that, and based on the "9 miles of scroll" on this page in opposition to dual roles on competing platforms, and my own observation on countless witness and user discussion opportunities ranging from my weekly show which usually has a half dozen witnesses drop in over the past 23 weeks or the monthly ones we run with as many as 20 witnesses of all levels at a time, this issue has come up here and elsewhere and overwhelmingly what Im now citing to you IS public opinion and it's all over this page to be certain.

I'm saying that perhaps those who are actually dedicated full time or greater to one platform deserve the top slots and part-timers with competing interests for their time don't deserve top slots.

Understandable, and I agree - there's a lot of people who deserve a shot at the top positions. There are a lot of people here working on various projects that deserve more than they're getting.

I just don't think it's as black and white as "full time" vs "part time" though. It's about the value they create for everyone else, regardless of the time being spent. It's possible that someone working part time could contribute much more than someone else working full time. It's dependent on that persons skill set and experience, on top of how much time they spend.

Voting has to reflect this just as much as how much actual time is being spent. It could almost be broken down into a "salary vs hourly" debate.

IMO - the top witnesses list today isn't full of "full time" people contributing greatly at the moment. It could use some improvement. That's all completely subjective to my opinion on who deserves it the most.


To flip this on a more personal note: I have been fortunate enough to be able to do this full time for over a year now. Witnessing, staking, mining, trading, etc on all these various blockchains has allowed it to happen. If it weren't for all of this I wouldn't have had the opportunity to dive into this work like I have.

I'm incredibly appreciative of this and really would like to see more people have the opportunity I've had. If I can make that happen without endangering my own well being - I plan on it. I have seriously thought about stepping aside as a Steem witnesses to give someone else that chance, but if I did that today, it would wipe out a large portion of my income and put my financial stability at risk. I'm not wealthy and my rewards go to sustaining my livelihood and servers. I don't think today's the day to be taking that risk.

It could happen though and I'd be happy to do so, provided the situation worked out.

I'd also like to state that even if that were to happen, you wouldn't be getting rid of me lol. I would only be stepping aside as a witness (and it's rewards). I'd still be passionate about the same work I'm doing today, experimenting, and still building things that make Steem (and all other blockchains) a better place to be.

"IMO - the top witnesses list today isn't full of "full time" people contributing greatly at the moment. It could use some improvement. That's all completely subjective to my opinion on who deserves it the most."

It's this attitude that is causing our conversation to go much more smoothly than the one I am having with Luke, who seems to think he is basically deserving for like making 10K posts in two years or something (I have nearly 8K in ten months, so he still hasn't impressed me on any of the countless occasions where he has used that stat as his "contribution" and "engagement" level)

The rest of what you said is admirable as well. But it doesn't change my position on the OP premise, that your diversity will be measured in terms of your loyalty to the chain where the voters are.

I think that people will be shocked for example when they finally realize that @roelandp was one of the first to publish a bid to be a EOS BP, and that Mr Steemfest himself, will be onboard the next sexy ship that sails along through the harbor despite his presentation here that he is the big steem promoter.

I still say no man can effectively serve two masters. Cliche's gonna cliche' for a reason...

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