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Let me start with links to three important new articles related to Steem's economic system.

The problems that we believe should be solved are that of self-voting, passive delegation to bidbots (instead of participation in content discovery), spam (especially microspam), and abuse. These problems undermine one of the core unique value propositions of the platform; proof-of-brain. People generally gravitate towards what is the most profitable thing for them to do when there is monetary incentive.

The goal of these economic changes would be to move Steem closer to delivering on the promises stated in the whitepaper of unearthing high quality content by making it more profitable for people to actively curate, and less profitable to self-vote and delegate one’s Steem Power to bid bots.
Improving the Economics of Steem: A Community Proposal

And a slightly more technical post by @vandeberg: Reward Curve Deep Dive.

Also, Help Fix Steem's Economy!.

Yes, I know that @trafalgar's post is 7 month old, but at least we are finally going to discuss Steem's economic system.

Let me also link to my most recent post on these issues - a mere 4 months old. Just so I don't have to repeat everything and it links to articles that go even further back. I have also discussed one of my proposals with a person now a former employee of Steemit Inc; although it wasn't developed further it was useful in understanding the kinds of code changes which might be acceptable - compared to those that probably won't be.

The discussion is now known as the “Economic Improvement Proposal” or “EIP”. There seems to be an eternal recurrence on Steem whereby anything "under discussion" has already been decided. The only "proposal" is, for now, the one outlined by @trafalgar. There really needs to be a deep-think (proof of thinking) about the relationships between the encoded system and human behaviour. Changing the most obvious parameters every few months (proof of tinkering) will not fundamentally change the economy. The whole discussion will be more open if called the "Economic Improvement Project".

The first question that needs to be asked is: which aspects of the Steem economy do we wish to optimise?

Without knowing the parameters for success, how can we measure such success?

This is not the same question as, "Which behaviour do we want to suppress?" They are related, but not the same point of view. As has been quoted numerous times from game theory, bad behaviour can never be eradicated but it can be minimised. The nature of good and bad behaviour is in relation to whether it promotes or hinders the economy towards some optimal state. Without knowing what that optimal state might be there is not even a metric for deciding on what constitutes bad behaviour. Is it even possible to label as "bad behaviour" something that is allowed on the blockchain?

Steem is a blockchain; it runs on code. It doesn't care about your aims or ambitions or feelings, it merely processes inputs. Humans, on the other hand, express their encoding through feelings and try to articulate them through words. In order to even answer the key question, we need a map of the whole Steem economy and to be able to pinpoint the parts of the code that need to be changed to align an optimised economy with a satisfied social structure - and happy people.

Perhaps the existing parameters are just not enough. Perhaps new code is needed. We won't know until we try.

This is not easy. No blockchain has done this - none!

Do we want an economic system that is able to run in a truly autonomous and decentralised manner?

Do we want an economic system where the encoded rules are aligned with the social aims?

If the answers are "Yes" then we need to open the Steem engine to scrutiny.

I am glad that Steemit Inc has started that process.


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I appreciate this rather open-ended introduction to the topic!

In regards to the proposal, I definitely think more thinking should be done. 'Tweaking' is not a sign of a stable environment either. I personally feel like we are seeing better behavior come into play with the likes of dlease.io

Proof of Stake means something, and if we are going to fiddle with that then, I concur, we should at least try to agree on what the behavior we wish to see actually looks like!

Hi, thanks, maybe a poll would sharpen the question.

What is the best metric to measure the health of the Steem blockchain?

  • reward pool size
  • active users
  • fiat price of steem
  • powered up SP
  • total SP
  • number of posts
  • value of upvotes (commensurate with reward pool size so not independent)
  • etc

If somebody wishes to add more to the list, perhaps a poll is a good idea.

BTC price of Steem

I think you make a very cogent point. Undesirable behavior can only ever be minimiazed and then minimized again as those attached to the behavior will always find a way around. If we note the behavior and make changes, these ne-er do wells actually make us a stronger ecosystem. I actually think steem is pretty good at that already. But too much reaction and not enough promotion means we see very little desirable behavior. Promoting desirable behavior, especially when it is short on hand, needs to come first. Particularily because it also does the work of liminting undesirable behavior.

We need eyes on the page and real brain to brain interactions. The quality of posts is rather secondary and always subjective. People don't seem to understand this. Let's reward those folks who are actually here. We need to toss out the rep scores. They can be bought. And link payouts not only to SP and upvotes but also engagement. I propose we creat engagement score or let's be cute and call it quotients ... EQ's ... and link it to payouts. This will attract serious social media users that might not be willing to invest money but are generous with their time. More eyes on the page means more ad revenue and makes us less vulnerable to what bitcoin is doing.

Hi, I think all the things you say will be the tasks of the websites to come. I mean, it may, or may not, be your thing, but Steemhunt had the right idea months ago: proof of brain requires... brains! No algo, as yet, can do that. Pay the human curators, promote good content, don't even show the crap, and off you go!

(btw, added you to my curators' trail some time ago but... ssshhhhh.... don't tell anyone.)

I saw that, thank you. I manually curate and so I added you to my feed:)And here I am:)

Ah :-) nice! I need to do a fresh post on that, as people forget, but also to try and find new curators, especially those who often work behind the scenes for some curation group but who rarely get mentioned in the footers.

So... if you'd like to nominate a couple of people who do sterling curation work, and are not already being followed, then please feel free!

It is the less-advertised half of the rewards generated by MAPR (@accelerator).

If you feel... erm... exposed nominating people in a comment, feel free to contact me on Discord.

No worries ... how bout I just add you as a tag when I see something really good and say you should look at it. Will that work?

Is it even possible to label as "bad behaviour" something that is allowed on the blockchain?

It shoudn't be labeled like that.
Alice wants to rotate a wheel clockwise and Bob counterclockwise. None of the two is bad.
Nowadays we are saying, let Alice and Bob compete for the wheel, because competition is so great.
Instead we should provide two wheels, one for Alice and one for Bob.
But each wheel should be connected to a small generator to produce elextricity supplied into the same power line.

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