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RE: Censorship and suppression of free speech on Steem. Really?

in #steem5 years ago (edited)

I don't think it is a simple as the way you have laid out, and I see many laying it out. Let me pitch a what if scenario.

Suppose you wish to go into a certain neighborhood. Your best friends are in that neighborhood and you have enjoyed going there regularly for quite some time. But you begin hearing stories of your friends getting robbed there. And on your way into the neighborhood over time you begin watching others getting robbed for going in there, targeted for the crime of visiting there. You might begin to formulate the crazy notion that there is nothing to differentiate yourself from the others and if you continue going there it isn't if you will be robbed, but when.

Of course, the robbery is a form of reverse robbery. We always talk of "It isn't yours till you receive it," thinking in terms of the person who would be awarded the reward. But that focuses on one part of the equation only. It ignores the ones who want to reward from the stake they hold. I would ask you this. If people see that their votes will be negated, how long until those votes stop being cast to reward on those people? How long before those being flagged start being shunned?

Now one can say there is no censorship taking place, its an allowed use of the law (code). But seems pretty clear to me that it is sending a strong message to people of certain mindsets/beliefs, their kind is not welcome here and only people of opposite beliefs are welcome to earn here. And if you plan on supporting these mindsets, plan on not obtaining rewards so don't waste your time here. Because your time and investment will see no fruits.

Now, it is what it is and no amount of bitching and crying can change it. I don't foresee any forks coming as some propose. I don't foresee any changes to behavior coming about from any flag wars as proposed by some who wish to build some kind of super account via delegation (especially since flag wars benefit those with larger stake, lol). But to pretend this is not a form of censorship via behavior modification is simplifying this to a degree that ignores reality. Smash enough wallets and watch as others either modify what they use their wallets to support, or they give up on the idea that their wallets hold value.

And while I don't see any of the scenarios playing out I mentioned above, I do see this producing bad word of mouth, especially by those who invested and have been targeted or run in circles who have been. Of course many of those who reach that stage will probably at some point decide to power down and move their assets somewhere else where their friends or themselves are not targeted for the views they hold. One can argue chasing these folks off is not censorship, but seems a pretty fine line to me that has the same hard feelings and same results just the same.

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I fully agree with your whole comment @practicalthought - that is exactly my experience, I am self censoring and my like minded friends who haven't done that are now no longer posting because they get flagged...

Again, you are confusing freedom of Speech with ability to earn on that speech. Everyone is free to speak, there are always reactions of some kind to it, whether it be clapping, booing or silence. The market is always free, free to be manipulated also, free to have governments brainwash, free to have terrorists enact their brutality.

If Steem is killed economically because of flagging, it has nothing to to with freedom of Speech. And like @edicted said, a front-end could quite easily display it all. This is Steem, almost anyone can make a front-end of some sort with a little study. Might not be pretty, but this is Steem so it will blend in.

When it comes to earning though, this is a free-market system also and the 'rules' are well known. People like it when they fall in their favor but are quick to complain and scream unfair when they don't. I know enough about living as a minority and taking abuse to understand that no matter what happens, it is my experience to live and my journey to take and whether it empowers or scars me is up to me.

Fair and unfair is relative. half the world doesn't have access to the internet, 1 billion live without electricity and people are complaining about earning on their freedom of speech on a platform that protects what they say? It seems very first world problem.

No one is forced on, no one is forced off. Suppression is self-suppression only. There are some people in this world that no matter what happens to them, they can't be suppressed. You can't be granted freedom by any master or change in the code. You are free or you are not.

I am yet to meet someone truly free because... we all need something. When something is needed, it is a weakness.

The root of all suffering and that stuff...

Which reminds me, anyone seen our resident shit comment enabler, parody plagiarizing, @sarah-xx charming, gay porn spammer, defensive threat maker and otherwise whining about censorship and "flaggot whales" self-admited-self-censoring-self-proclaimed..

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