Third Livestream Test Tomorrow

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Tune in to our third livestream test happening tomorrow, Thursday, November 29th at 11am CST. Post your questions for Ned and special guest, @andrarchy, here and they will cover as much as they can live. See you soon.

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Hi @ned. Looking forward to the livestream tomorrow.

My comment is going to be a combination of questions and feedback. Hopefully it won't get too long :)

While I am sure this is an unbelievably challenging time for many involved (especially those in the 70%), I am hopeful that this event can become a turning point where we all come together and align our priorities, and set ourselves on whatever track is going to give Steem the best chance for success going forward.

One of the biggest questions that I think everybody is wondering is: what are Steemit, Inc's priorities going to be in the next three months?

Before answering though, I will mention that it might be OK to say "we don't know yet". Figuring out the answer to that question is probably going to be one of the most important things that Steemit does as a result of what happened.

To offer some of my own suggestions, I will add the following:

  • One thing that has not been good about the way Steemit has done things so far is that very little has been getting delivered on a regular basis to excite investors. I don't have the answer(s) to what specific things should be the focus, but I would make it a high priority to try and identify what is going to bring the most positive investor attention to Steem which the core team can accomplish in a short amount of time, and start going for lots of "quick wins".
  • The relationship between Steemit, Inc. and the community is still in need of repair. It has been since the day I got here, unfortunately. While in my view things have gotten a LOT better over the past year, there is still a ways to go. I would highly suggest looking at ways that the company can shift their focus towards building and maintaining trust and confidence with the community. To me, this is the "biggest bang for the buck" in terms of where to focus efforts. Maximizing transparency and listening+responding to feedback from the community are two of the main ways this can be done.
  • Marketing is one thing that needs to be a LOT higher priority (IMO). The message itself is also very important. Identifying what we want to "pitch" about Steem that will get potential investors excited is the first step. Then figuring out how to get that message all across the internet (especially in front of cryptocurrency investors) is the next.
  • The work that was done on steem.com was a great improvement. Although I know the feedback has been mostly positive, I have also seen feedback that "While on the surface it looks like a real interesting website -- you can tell it was thrown together quickly. It wasn't proofread or checked properly... and there are lots of mistakes on it." (source) I hope continuing to update this website is not too big of a resource challenge, and I would suggest continuing to make steem.com improvements a priority.
  • I hope that Destiny does not take too much of a back seat either. Having a sleek and user friendly UI as a "flagship" DApp (instead of the current steemit.com) would go a long way towards "selling" Steem.

Anyway, I've gone on long enough.. I will try to wrap it up.

My only other "question" is: Would Steemit, Inc. be willing to present the community with an overview of where the money over the past two years has gone? This would be really enlightening, and also go a long ways towards rebuilding trust with the community.

My last piece of advise is don't be afraid to reach out to the community and ask for help if/when you need it. We are all on the same team, and we all want the same thing (success of Steem).

Best of luck as you navigate through the tough waters ahead.

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Quick wins FTW

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Would Steemit, Inc. be willing to present the community with an overview of where the money over the past two years has gone?

An answer to this question would be highly appreciated.

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100000000 percent this. You had to cut 70 percent of staff? No problem. There are TONS of talented people here in this community. If we leverage each other’s talents Steem can really take off again

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Totally Agreed.

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Marketing is one thing that needs to be a LOT higher priority (IMO).

@ned

In my observation ( 1-10 scale) , we are almost at zero and there is a lot to show to the outside world ( Dtube/Musing/Actifit/Partiko/Sharetosteem/Steem community/so on..).

It wouldn't even take a whole lot of dev resources , so , can we atleast turn marketing up to 3 ?

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+1 for prioritizing bringing in more investors. Without it the price declines making the whole platform potentially unstable due to layoffs etc.

My suggestion was to remove SBD which doesn't hold a peg anyway and complicates the experience and prioritize getting on more exchanges.

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Perhaps they should go all in on marketing the blockchain and the benefits of the blockchain and the potential of the blockchain and the SMT idea.

They tried marketing a dApp with steemit.com you want them to try that again?
Maybe focus on the successful dApps to help market the blockchain.

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Quick wins are short term thinking. It would excite investors for a while, but when it doesn't last Steem would risk being dismissed as another crypto scam. Ned is wise to go forward with a view toward the long term.

However, I would also like to know what Steemit Inc's priorities are going forward.

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Focusing on quick wins does not mean that we just completely abandon long term vision.

When we focus too much on long term things though and never make any visible progress on improving the platform in ways that investors care about, then we continue to slide down in price.

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I view quick wins as just smaller steps toward the same longer term vision.

I have a few suggestions/comment/questions. For those phrased in the form of comments or suggestions, you can also take them as questions in the sense that I would love to hear your views on them.

  1. I would seriously consider rather than pouring a bunch of resources into developing more efficient deployment (thereby competing with other development, etc.), think about an orderly sunset plan for steemit.com and the steemit-run API servers. There are already many third party apps and while cutting them off immediately is not good, giving them a schedule where they need to figure out how to operate on their own is probably very healthy for the ecosystem as a whole. At the same time, steemit.com has already been declared to be in "maintenance mode" and from a market perspective it should be clear by now that steemit.com doesn't have what it takes to really take off (and would need a lot of further development). Perhaps better to not throw good money after bad and plan on a wind down of steemit.com while refocusing on support of true self-sufficient third party apps.
  2. What are your thoughts on narrowing the focus of steemit.com/steem.com to be a minimal wallet (transfers plus password/key management), as well as a resource directory of third party wallets/apps? I'm thinking of the former being something like this: https://www.stellar.org/account-viewer/#!/ and the latter something like this: https://www.stellar.org/lumens/wallets/
  3. In my view a more sustainable model that doesn't have Steemit running a big infrastructure with no operating revenue is to focus on the essential core blockchain development (which we are MUCH farther from anyone else being able to do compared to building apps and running servers) as well as marketing, branding, exchange support, dev/app support, etc. This is what most of the successful blockchain projects/companies seem to do. They don't run everyone's node for them. What are your thoughts on this direction as a sustainable model (and perhaps with renewed focus on blockchain messaging a marketing, more effective in terms of communicating to the world the value of Steem and STEEM, something that has not been done effectively at all up until now, to say the least).
  4. At this point of reflection, when part of the issue is clearly the low price of STEEM (and I don't think it is useful to blame the overall cryptocurrency market when, relative to other coins STEEM has dropped out of the top ten to barely being in the top 50), maybe it is a good time to recognize the urgency of tuning the economic model so that it does something useful. The various failure modes of the current model are enough to fill another post or ten, but suffice it to say that it hasn't worked to spur growth nor attract investment.
  5. Regarding SMTs, how do you feel about, rather than simply delaying the totality of SMTs indefinitely, to instead radically narrow the scope of SMT 1.0 to something like: a) token creation, b) token transfer, and c) token trading? If this were done, how long do you think it would take Steemit to deliver it (consider the answer with the strategy on steemit.com+nodes being either significant development and operational effort to improve resource usage vs planned sunset)? This would be enough to satisfy the needs of many devs and community projects who really want tokens and are in many cases pretty well on their way to being ready to roll them out, but don't necessary need all of SMTs richness and power (beyond a-c above). The remainder of the SMT design/roadmap can then be rolled out later as a series of upgrades.
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I agree with just about all of this. Getting SMTs out with at least minimal functionality is all many of these projects need. Lets get them something.

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I think the sun set plan for steemit.com is a great idea or to just turn it into a wallet only. Steemit needs to focus on blockchain development.

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See @noisy's comment as well. I love the idea of having "Steemit.com-off weeks" both on their own and as part of a sunset plan.

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I disagree I think sunsetting it completely is a better idea. People look at steemit and see how shitty the design is and then associate the cryptocurrency with steemit. The cryptocurrency is the one of best, but the interface on steemit.com is one of the worst. Why couple the two?

We will never be able to decouple steemit.com with steem cryptocurrency without sunsetting steemit.com or rebranding the cryptocurrency or changing the domain of steemit.com

I have some techy friends that don't even understand the difference, let alone the masses. Even coinbase description of steem has it wrong.

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Disagree with what? I'm in favor of sunsetting (I should be since I was literally the one who proposed it). I just think that @noisy's idea of some temporary scheduled blackouts can be a useful part of that process.

BTW, it was always a possibility that the steemit site and nodes could just disappear. As in more suddenly and disruptively than this (company goes out of business, encounters more severe financial issues and needs to shut down the site RIGHT NOW, etc.). We were never prepared for that and at least with @noisy's temporary downtime we'd have a better idea of ecosystem vulnerabilities. Like a fire drill.

I've also suggested the renames. Multiple times.

At least now we have their attention somewhat.

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Disagree that we should only do temporary blackouts, it's either all or nothing.

"At least now we have their attention"

Yeah...The issue is the ideas you brought up are very good, but it's another thing if they actually do them. That's huge concern of mine. Are they going to announce any decisions or just say "it's on the table" for all the suggestions.

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Track record says....

There is always hope for a change. Until there isn't.

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Lmao yeah...

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Very good points. We need SMTs and we need them fast. Many communities and projects on Steem are issuing tokens on other Blockchains already that will later be swapped for SMTs - if SMTs would be delayed beyond Q1 19 they should instead be lauded with a basic functionality asap, even without ICO functionalities.
Discontinuing free api nodes would significantly slow the growth and use of Steem. We wouldn't need Steemit Inc to run public api nodes if there were enough witnesses running them - so why not have all top 20 witnesses run api nodes? Sports leagues have requirements such as stadium size to get into the first league, why not make running an api node a requirement for a witness to get into the top 20?

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With a declining STEEM price as well as the refocus of witness role on block signing and governance rather than a general funding source that took place in HF16 (was an 80% cut), there isn't really enough money in witness rewards and especially not if the STEEM price were to decline to say its previous lows of 0.05 to 0.10.

Currently all witness rewards are approximately $800K per year (total, not each) which doesn't even cover but a fraction of the $2 million/year Steemit is paying in direct costs to operate nodes. That's assuming that all witness rewards went to this purpose which is obviously absurd. It further ignores the significant admin cost for these nodes which buildteam (which operates its own nodes for its business) has estimated at similar or more than the hardware costs.

If the STEEM price were to decline to historic lows then total witness revenue would drop to about 1/3 to 1/8 of that, or perhaps as little as $100K/year ($5K/year each!), which again is nowhere near enough for free high volume nodes open to everyone in the world.

This isn't a sustainable solution either. What is needed is not a way to shift around who runs the free nodes but a model where those operating businesses on Steem run their own nodes (ideal) or pay for a third party to run them (not ideal in terms of centralization but at least economically sustainable).

Some low volume free nodes may make sense as a community initiative where people volunteer to run nodes so people can at least run a simple wallet and access their coins, but for high usage as needed by major web sites or businesses, that needs to have some sort of sustainable funding attached to it.

It is not typical for decentralized cryptocurrencies to be run on the basis of free (and highly centralized) high volume open public nodes. Sometimes free low-volume community-run nodes as I mentioned but other than that businesses either run their own nodes or pay for a service. Steem can do what everyone else does here.

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Steem already attracts less developers than other Blockchain (EOS, Ethereum) despite having very low fees to run a service since access to (slow) public api nodes is free and so are transactions (if the account has enough RC). The ability to launch a dApp on a shoestring budget is a huge plus of Steem at the moment. Shutting down access to free nodes would shrink the amount of developers interested in building on Steem and therefore the value of Steem as a Blockchain. I agree with you that dApps that have grown successfully and then need more reliable and faster nodes can start their own as it is already happening, but even right now the public nodes available are barely enough to keep up with the demand, so I don't believe that shutting down Steemit Inc.'s public nodes without a free replacement would be a good solution.

I believe that we need public nodes, but a decentralised Blockchain should not be controlled by one entity such as Steemit Inc. so I believe that having public api nodes run by witnesses - some of who would outsource them to a company such as Privex - would be a good solution. Maybe we should think of a witness pay composed of a fixed value in Steem as well as a second dynamic part oriented on USD values which guarantees that the minimum costs of running a top 20 witness plus an api node are always covered - this would come out of the rewards pool, but if Steemit Inc. would consequently either develop features that increase the value of Steem or sell less of their stake what pushes down the price, the price of Steem and the reward pool would increase. Also, this could mean decreasing the amount witnesses get from the rewards pool when prices are high - I remember in January many were complaining about witnesses getting overpaid, now it's the other way around, so obviously witnesses receiving a fixed percentage of the rewards pool is not a good solution since they have costs in fiat to cover.

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I don't believe that shutting down Steemit Inc.'s public nodes without a free replacement would be a good solution.

Then I suggest you volunteer to pay the $2 million/year. Perhaps that cost can be reduced, in fact I'm sure it can. But it could also increase if demand grows. Personally I'd much rather have Steemit spend that money on blockchain development (not to mention staying in business/survival), which they are at this point uniquely qualified to do. With sufficient funding (not a Steemit Inc strong suit at the moment), anyone (or at least many people with the right experience) can run nodes.

BTW, witness rewards are a tiny fraction of the rewards paid out by Steem (10% of total inflation vs. 75% for post rewards). If you think free nodes are a good use of reward funds, then I suggest making one or more daily/weekly/whatever posts requesting support for free public node service and if people agree with your philosophy they can vote for it. I don't rule out that this could be a good idea. But for something to replace Steemit nodes will still be very expensive (consume a significant portion of the reward pool), and the cost can easily grow with increased usage.

Again, I don't know what EOS does (simply not familiar with it) but neither Ethereum miners nor the Ethereum Foundation provide free nodes. People who need nodes run their own or pay for a service.

even right now the public nodes available are barely enough to keep up with the demand

Exactly (so whatever plans you have along the lines discussed above, you better plan to not only replace the Steemit nodes but actually scale UP). That's because this model is unsustainable. Nobody even knows what those public nodes are being used for. It could be hugely wasteful/inefficient usage or they could even be deliberately overworked by competitors. The model is not viable.

decentralised Blockchain should not be controlled by one entity such as Steemit Inc

A decentralized blockchain is strengthened by people running their own nodes. There will inevitably be nodes as a service, which hurts decentralization, but trying to fund and operate a free service that encourages (nearly) everyone to use them is actually sabotaging (by centralizing) the network. It is quite terrible that when Steemit's nodes go down, as they have on occasion, nearly the entire ecosystem crashes. This undermines not only the operation of the network at that time, but its ongoing reputation because it is clear that everything is centralized and its "'decentralized' apps" are a sham. Even before financial problems forced the question, I was against Steemit's free node service. People should run their own, and in practice, most won't if there is a free option.

For very low usage (people just wanting to use a wallet to access their funds, experiments by devs working on a new project, etc.) there can be low-capacity free nodes offered by the volunteers in the community. But there is simply no reason for a deployed and scaled-up application to expect to rely on a free service. Life would be wonderful if all sorts of nice things were free, but they mostly are not.

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Personally I'd much rather have Steemit spend that money on blockchain development

I don't want Steemit Inc to spend money on running public nodes either - but we still need them.

$2 million/year.

Currently all witness rewards are approximately $800K per year (total, not each)

These $2 Million currently come from Steemit Inc.'s Steem stake being sold and as a result pushing down the price of Steem decreasing the rewards pool for everyone. What if we raised the witness rewards dynamically to over 10% while the price is low and decrease them when the price is high as suggested in my previous comment?

Again, I don't know what EOS does (simply not familiar with it) but neither Ethereum miners nor the Ethereum Foundation provide free nodes.

And still they have much more more developers creating exciting dApps than Steem does - that's why their market cap is much higher. Take the free nodes away from Steem and people like me (developer on a student budget) will start looking into alternatives.

Nobody even knows what those public nodes are being used for. It could be hugely wasteful/inefficient usage or they could even be deliberately overworked by competitors. The model is not viable.

What if we introduced a new model: Nodes are freemium and accessed with API keys. Each developer who wants to access the public nodes can apply for an api key (or something similar tied to account keys), usage is tracked and if it exceeds certain limits the developer can choose to pay for higher limits or run their own private node?

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These $2 Million currently come from Steemit Inc.'s Steem stake being sold and as a result pushing down the price of Steem decreasing the rewards pool for everyone. What if we raised the witness rewards dynamically to over 10% while the price is low and decrease them when the price is high as suggested in my previous comment?

Then witnesses will be selling stake instead, pushing the price down.

What if we introduced a new model: Nodes are freemium and accessed with API keys. Each developer who wants to access the public nodes can apply for an api key (or something similar tied to account keys), usage is tracked and if it exceeds certain limits the developer can choose to pay for higher limits or run their own private node?

Now you are talking. I suggested elsewhere the possibility of a free tier with low limits (like AWS has) and the owner of buildteam, which is one of the companies potentially interested in providing node service as a business (if Steemit stops undercutting them with unlimited service at the unsustainable price of zero), responded favorably. I'm pretty sure that we can come up with a solution (maybe 'free tier' maybe something else) for students and independent devs who want to experiment without needing to pay a lot for 'commercial grade' service. Nobody is against that.

  1. How would you describe Steemit, Inc's business model up to this point? How has it worked or not worked?
  2. How would you describe Steemit, Inc's business model going forward?
  3. If I'm not mistaken, the top three accounts holding the most STEEM are owned by Steemit, Inc. @steemit has 2.8M liquid STEEM and 44.7M Steem Power. @misterdelegation has 18.8M Steem Power and @steem has 11.3M Steem Power. That's a lot of value for a company that is cutting back 70% of its workforce. In your opinion, what role does Steemit, Inc have to steward this value and how do you see it being used in the future? Has the original purpose of these tokens changed over time?
  4. What role do you think a singular, centralized organization like Steemit, Inc will play in the long-term future of the Steem blockchain?
  5. Do you envision a not-for-profit foundation being set up at some point in the future to facilitate the long-term growth and maintenance of the Steem blockchain?
  6. Over the long term, do you view a successful Steem blockchain as a form of decentralized autonomous community which is owned, operated, and funded by the community?
  7. Do you view the focus on Steemit, Inc, you as a CEO, and Steemit.com as the main website people think of when they think of STEEM as a problem to be overcome? By that I mean, does this focus create a sense of centralization for something many want to be a decentralized system?
  8. Do you have any comments about the initial and current STEEM distribution and its impact on Steem governance or the perception of Steem as a decentralized system?
  9. What input, comments, feedback, or otherwise do you have for witnesses on the Steem blockchain at this time?
  10. What input, comments, feedback, or otherwise do you have for application owners and developers on the Steem blockchain?
  11. What input, comments, feedback, or otherwise do you have for those exploring using the Steem blockchain in the future, given Steemit, Inc's current financial situation?

Thanks for engaging with the community.

Businesses need simple tokens. Communities need full SMTs.

One major idea is that businesses on the block will promote the block by way of marketing their business. In order to make that happen we need a way to create simple tokens.

With the delay of full SMTs can Steemit work on making an easy way that everyone can issue simple tokens? This should be a far simpler activity that gets us 90% of the way there to accumulating money through tokens on Steem.

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I'll agree with this. It would be nice to see something delievered and having simple tokens would help build some communities with additional users, providing additional motivation. Otherwise, I fear we'll just muddle through the next few months with little or nothing to show for it and perhaps not much of a community left. The potential here remains huge and I'm still 'all in'. We can accomplish a lot with just a few more tools.

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I remember that I proposed something like this a couple of months ago, but by that time, nobody anticipated that the price of Steem would go so low back then. The bad part is that building this would require a lot of time and who knows how the market will look like by then...

A Little Context

"In most projects, the first system built is barely usable....Hence plan to throw one away; you will, anyhow." - Fred Brooks, The Mythical Man-Month

It's just a fact of software design that the first version runs too slow, lacks required features, and/or costs too much to operate. One solution is to throw it away.

With that in mind, there are varying levels of how much of the platform (if any) should be migrated to a completely fresh new design approach. For example, the current API design could be thrown away, but that would impact the entire ecosystem. On the other hand, just Hivemind could be thrown away, and barely any of the rest of the ecosystem would be impacted (though I would be sad).

As the most extreme variation, you mentioned a pitchfork before. Just for a little more context:

A pitchfork is when you restart the blockchain from block #1, then import things like public keys and set the balances, and abandon the old chain.

Actual Question

My question is, do you see a pitchfork as a last resort? Or is it just a tool to pick up if the time arrives? What circumstances would make pitchforking a certainty?


Edit: I want to also include what @timcliff said, that it might be OK to say "we don't know yet".


Update After Livestream: I believe my question was answered. In a nutshell, it sounds like a pitchfork is off the table in favor of expanding RocksDB. This is great news. And it makes a lot of sense from a scalability perspective.

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A pitchfork is when you restart the blockchain from block #1, then import things like public keys and set the balances, and abandon the old chain.

So will we lose all our posts and other things in the event of this happening? Steemmonsters has relied on coustom jsons and will those be lost too?

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No. The state of the chain will be the same, just the blockchain will restart at block #1, with a huge genesis block. (Or a huge block right after genesis)

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with a huge genesis block

Isn't the goal of restarting to reduce the size back down to zero(at least thats what I got from reading @ned's last post. But wouldn't that just cause all the data to go right back in there and cause the chain size to go right back up?

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Your balance is below $0.3. Your account is running low and should be replenished. You have roughly 10 more @dustsweeper votes. Check out the Dustsweeper FAQ here: https://steemit.com/dustsweeper/@dustsweeper/dustsweeper-faq

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So will we lose all our posts and other things in the event of this happening?

That would depend on how it's implemented. If the goal of the pitchfork is to drop a single field, or change the characteristics of a field you'd have to use a pitchfork, but then everything else comes over.

On the other hand, maybe you wanted to remove all of the posts from the blockchain and use some other storage strategy.

It depends entirely on the problem you're trying to solve.

In the case of an app like Steem Monsters, it would be pretty "easy" (though non-trivial) for them to just transition to the pitchforked chain by deriving the data from original chain, and not rely on the custom_json migration to make the transition for them.

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Dropping content by certain types of accounts could be a smart move to reduce the overall size of the chain. 40k account farms do add up.

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If something like this were to happen, I hope we'd get a few weeks ahead of hearing about this decision. I'd like to save my posts done in here, if this isn't the valid place to store them anymore. :S

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the posts are not going anywhere. They are stored on the blockchain. There a decentralized copies of that. You also could download markdown versions of every of your posts with this https://steemit.com/steemdev/@holger80/store-all-posts-from-an-author-in-markdown-files script

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and which ones we still have on-board , since we don't know who all is on the team from the begining.

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I am very interested in this also.

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Excellent question, Paula!

And in addition to that: Are you considering to call on community input in order to cover the now missing resources? There are projects like @utopian-io and @oracle-d who're already bundling top-notch skill sets across uncountable fields of knowledge. Involve them / us now!

Questions:

  1. Do you plan to market/promote steem in a major way at some point in the future?

  2. Will you continue to fund development by selling steem?

  3. Did you lose any developers as part of the lay-offs?

  4. Do you plan on using/creating a model that will generate revenue for steemit.inc that doesn't involve selling steem?

Thanks!

Is Steemit going to take steps to devolve ownership of the blockchain codebase?

Lot's of good questions in here already.

Here's mine:

Steem Monsters can utilise all their Steempower to reward their community for adding value to Steem Monsters.(because they have a second revenue stream).

Would Steem inc consider doing similar with their stake to add value to Steem inc? It's currently not being used.

Further explanation:

There is plenty of talent on here that will happily do work for you guys for an upvote or maybe some delegation (think normal amounts, 5k-20k).

You guys want to build tools to create great communities but at times forgetting to use the one you have build already.

Don't underestimate the willingness of this community to do what it takes and to help out.

What we need to know is what you guys need and then we can think about how to bring these two together.

It could suppress costs (using your stake is free) and help you guys out wherever you need it and it will also let talented people earn some extra Steem.


More info with comments from the community here in the post on my blog.

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Great point, I don't know why something this obvious has never been utilized!

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About a year ago I took a day to try and find any possible way to get in contact with "steemit.com management" to pitch an idea I had for a full steemit promotional photo and video package. It took me hours just to find someone I could actually potentially contact. I gave them the pitch, told them I would be willing to do the entire project paid in Steem. Obviously, of course, never heard a word back from anyone. Doing the research and trying to find any steem promotional material outside of Steemit, and the no response from the "promotional manager" or whatever, showed me exactly how much Steemit inc was interested in actually doing some marketing, even if it were to be paid with steem. I like your idea, but I don't have high hopes.

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I've had the same question for a while. Maybe there's an amount of 'fear' of using this stake because everyone will have an opinion on the ways and amounts it will be distributed, and it's possible Steemit Inc wants to be as impartial as possible. But it's a damn shame to not use it. I'm curious to hear some input on this from Ned as well, and let us figure out of there's a way we can use the stake by for example delegating it to a Utopian/Utopian-alternative that will be serving as a 'third (impartial) party' and reward contributions done by talented Steemians.

Hey @andrarchy and @ned, @o07 and I have been chatting. If you guys decide to sunset steemit.com and put more into marketing, here are some thoughts:

Pull top spokespersons from designated communities on the blockchain to create an impression of the company and what it's capable of being on this blockchain:

  1. @heiditravels - to represent women/crypto/Europe - the TRADER
  2. @aggroed - to represent gaming/discord/palnet streaming - the DAPP
  3. @coruscate - to represent vlogging and lifestyle - the BLOGGER
  4. @modernpastor - to represent influencers/inspirational/quality content - the INFLUENCER (he's a professional soccer player and is well-integrated and heavily invested in steem)
  5. @nathanmars - to represent streamers/vloggers - the STREAMER
  6. @openmic - to represent musicians - the MUSICIAN
  7. @mattclarke and @anomadsoul - to represent building your community and steem meetups - the MEETUP
  8. @timcliff - to represent the techy/onboarder/steem fanatic - the LOYALIST

All these guys are whales, orcas, dolphins, and influencers who have worked their way up. They've stuck around for a long time. For a reason. They are loyal, heavily invested, highly integrated with the community, and they want to see this blockchain succeed. When we're in a dip, they don't bat an eyelash. They keep this place going. These represent segments of our steem society that make this place unique and possible for so many. They are all authentic, dedicated bloggers on this blockchain. Show them off. They are your BIGGEST asset. They're from different countries, different backgrounds, and they each have different talents to offer and rally around.

The other thing is, none of these people will likely charge you to use them for marketing. They're all just good people who want this place to succeed. I bet they'd just be glad for the opportunity. They are just here to preach the good word of steem.

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Is the green one @coruscate???

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They are the competition, this is would be her!

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Hahahah Phew. I thought I was going to have to double down on eating more tacos to fill out the green suit at first. 😂

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Ha ha ha! Yep.

What do you think is the best was as a community we can help Steemit INC and the Steem blockchain?

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THIS. We are here to help. You've made possible for this community to come together @ned, please let us help you and Steemit Inc now. The talent pool is enormous, all you need to do is invite us in.

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^^ This - I think it's important you know that STEEM has something that not many other cryptos have. We have a strong community that is willing to put in the work for the ideals we hold.

Just like Dan, I want to know how I can help, specifically so too. If there something I could be doing, I not only willing to, I would want to.

There is a pool of brain power on this community, tons of people who are skilled at so many levels and in my opinion that is our true wealth.

Looking forward to the stream...

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@theycallmedan

What do you think is the best was as a community we can help Steemit INC and the Steem blockchain?

I think this is the best approach. Rather than throwing suggestions with having any idea about the challenges. I like what you suggested as to me it is,

  1. What are the challenges ? Define it first, ie do the home work.
  2. Categorize items which community can support
  3. Ask !
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Dan are you coming back to Steem? What do you think about what is going on?

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I never left Steem. I think it's a great opportunity for the Steem blockchain to grow and become more decentralized.

Since restructuring affected SMT timeline, a suggestion:

release just a subset of features allowing for basic native fungible and non-fungible token issuing, transferring and tracking. Add the more complex SMT features on top of these much later.

Having native user-issued assets will open doors for many more applications, anchoring of 3rd party currencies on STEEM, trading new pairs on the market, and new dApps.

Just a balance and basic issue/transfer/trade/burn

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This is an excellent suggestion. @steemmonsters kind of did this releasing cards first, then the market, then games and then improved version of the game.

Looking forward to hearing your take on whatever plan you have to restructure and move forward not only when it comes to smooth operation and development but also growth.

The community is asking itself what state Steemit Inc is in now, how stable are its finances (ie. was the layoff a decision that was made in conjunction with bankruptcy avoidance), and which positions are no longer filled. I can probably guess a few from knowing them but confirmation would be appreciated. The financial and operational health of Steemit Inc is currently vital to the financial and operational health of the Steem ecosystem. I wouldn't want to see investors lost due to uncertainty.

Its been mentioned already by others here but a skills/functions matrix of remaining Steemit Inc capabilities would be appreciated. You know by now how many of us and whom were undertaking marketing-focused initiatives. That's just one observable gap we tried to fill. With the fact that SMTs must be adequately promoted outside the Steem ecosystem to have a chance in hell a reality, the more information we have now the better.

I think you probably see some of us as toxic scum. Qualified that with "I think" since I know you don't like it when I state assumptions. Those same people are investors of money, time, expertise, and development. This feedback isn't malicious. We still have faith in the vision and opportunity or we would've bounced long ago. We'll get shit done, just need to all get on the same page first.

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Personally, I would be totally fine if Steemit, Inc. managed to cranked out SMTs and immediately moved on to working on the next hardfork. Let the people who issue the token market their own token.

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That could work if the documentation is there. Potential SMT implementors aren't going to read code, they want marketing materials. Especially if they're external to the current steem ecosystem, which most are. The majority of questions I field about SMTs come from people whose knowledge about steem is virtually nonexistent. But they've got teams, projects and will invest and bridge if sold on SMTs.

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I see what you mean. But the community can document SMTs. I know this because that used to be my day job, and I have some confidence that I can contribute. We wouldn't want early SMT adopters to have to reverse-engineer the thing if they don't have to.

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For example, this is how I would usually go about doing documentation when I worked at Steemit, Inc. But instead of using internal tools, I'm documenting my documentation, so to speak:

https://steemit.com/utopian-io/@inertia/steemit-dev-portal-document-transaction-polling-api

I believe I can do basically the same thing for SMT documentation.

Hi @ned, after HF20 only super users get satisfied to have cut spam, but Steemit is suffering of no interest at all for new comers.
You should think about to grown your company and we need more users and see some users like @crypto.piotr are trying to give some chance for grown community...

Steem will be back over $1 by the end of January imo.

Steemmonsters is lighting up the sky with what has been created.

They will be the best advertiser!

Questions

  1. I'm wondering if you could take me off mute so when people are given an opportunity to ask questions, I'd be able to take part.
  2. What's a skned?
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  3. Get it?

P.S. This comment was intended to be lighthearted.

@ned I applaud you for making the necessary tough decisions. It’s unfortunate when these decisions involve people losing their jobs, but in an uncertain climate like this the decision not to act is almost always not on the table. So, good on you for acting and you have my support.

Therefore, moving forward, I say, “if the dog hadn’t of stopped to shit, he could have caught the rabbit”. Simply stated, what happens from this point on is all that matters.

Therefore, is the launch of SMT’s and its use to support communities the single most important priority for you at this time? If not, may I ask what is?

Further, are you in a position to tell us that the resources necessary to launch SMT’s are available to you now and will you access those resources to launch, or do we need to see an increase in the value of Steem before action can be taken?

And if it isyour intention to proceed with SMT’s, will the launch schedule for March 2019 stand or delayed?

Also, since Steemit.com is settling into maintenance mode, is it your intention to launch SMT’s on Destiny and if not, on what platform?

Next, you mentioned in your statement, it is your intention while Steemit.com is in maintenance mode to search for further expenses reductions. I assume you have a redline. Therefore, can you indicate what functions are included in that redline - in other words, the bare necessities you are prepared to support to insure a functioning Steemit.com or what you see the ‘next’ to last step to be - pitchforking for example?

Next, I appreciate the role Steemit Inc. has played in coding for Steem and I thank you for that. And I understand the need to act decisively in this climate. But, if you as CEO of Steemit Inc. intend to eliminate Steemit Inc.’s coding role completely at this time that responsibility will fall onto the shoulders of the witnesses and the community. However, they too are facing the same difficult climate that is causing you to pull back within Steemit Inc. and I assume would also be unable to muster resources. Therefore, can you explain in more detail the role, if any, that the new company - Destiny - might play here? I ask because it seems to me that without a progressive transitioning support plan, Destiny’s future may be jeopardized, which seems to run counter to your stated high expectations for Destiny - of course I’m assuming Destiny is being launched on Steem?

And lastly, you stated, the second reason for being in cryptocurrency is because you believe, “it has the potential to spawn the next killer application that can rival the Instagrams and Reddits of the world”. Do you believe that this killer application will be birthed on Steem? Is Destiny your attempt at such a killer app? If not, are you alone or otherwise intending to be part of such an application with that expectation elsewhere in the crypto world?

I have other questions but I’m sure most of them will be answered through the discussion. Thanks Ned. Thanks Andrew.

  1. Have you completed an AWS infrastructure audit ?

  2. What is stopping from migrating the full nodes to dedicated servers in data centers where the cost can be cheaper ?

  3. Why is the images / media on S3 and Cloudfront when there are cheaper alternatives ?

What’s is the future plans of Steem Inc Business Model? Is it just going to be wait and see like the last 2 years?

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I will be asking some tough questions if I get the chance. My biggest questions are

Can Steemit Inc survive a prolonged period of .04 - .06 USD priced Steem?

Have they done the math on cost for DApps to use steem or said another way how much steem are Dapps going to be required to have to operate on steems block chain?

What skill sets does the company still have on payroll and how many?

What skill sets were let go and did they offer them to work for crypto from home on future projects? Were any attempts made to help these people transition into something new or were they just given the boot and told good luck?

AND FINALLY !!!! WHO IN THERE RIGHT MIND FIRES EMPLOYEES DURING THE HOLIDAYS !!!! Ned had to have known for months what he was planning, he has been selling tokens like mad for months. The time to down size the ship was 5-6 months BEFORE he sold out NOT after ... VERY POOR TASTE

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​Is steemit inc interested in matching offers for larger projects since there is so much price risk atm, say I put up 100k and they match with 100k tokens for a 200k project ? I have an idea to help steems price, long term.

Well this is going to be interesting. I have so many questions swimming around in my head I don't know where to start.

How about, what's your estimate on how long Steemit INC is going to last with the recent cutbacks and focus on cost reduction if market price of Steem doesn't improve or gets even worse?

Enough development already, time to move for business management,, When we are going to attract big investors and how we are gonna do it ? Are we ever going to see ads in the near future and what are the other businesses plans?

Will you open the books to the community for suggestions on managing finances?

How do you guys look so damn good all the time??! ❤ Thank-you for everything you have done and for what will come!! #freedom

I can barely contain my enthusiasm.

I hope it goes better than the last one.

Good luck.

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In case I miss it. Can Steem Inc. survive .04 - .06 USD steem token value for a prolonged period?

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I'm guessing it would be over unless another team will take over the position.

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My second question is how much steem will Dapps need to operate on the block chain? Have you worked out the math for usage vs. costs to the steem block chain and how to charge Dapps?

During SteemFest I agreed with guys from SndBox, that in our opinion it would be a good for whole community, to have a planned "Steemit.com-off week" once a while.

  1. Such an event should be widely announced in advance.
  2. During such a week on Steemit.com there should be information like "to show you a robustnest and uniqness of Steem network, we decided to turn off Steemit for a week, because actually you don't need it to use Steem network. Here is a list of alternative interfaces and wallets: ..."
  3. There should be counter bellow counting down to the end of an event.

I know that this sounds like a crazy idea, but somehow I truly believe that:

  1. Such an event would get HUGE media coverage
  2. No body would panic because "Nobody panics when things go according to plan" - says Jocker
  3. That would help understand whole crypto world a difference between Steem and Steemit
  4. Investors would come seeing that Steem can survive without Steemit

Questions:

  1. What do you think about this idea? :)
  2. What do you think about Engrave? Have you seen it? :)
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I like the idea of giving people alternative interfaces and wallets to reduce stress from steemit.com. =)
But if i'm thinking of SEO, there would be some disadvantages caused by a turn off event, since Google & co. could rank steemit.com lower because of such a event.

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'Just do it' :)

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Sounds like a good idea! People usually don't know what they are missing on.. If it helps steemit as well, this should be a win win win situation.

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it's a marvelous idea!

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Very unconventional idea but I think this could actually work! Before that happens though there needs to be an alternative standalone online wallet, preferably on steem.com - right now users depend on steemit.com not for its social media capabilities but for its wallet functionalities (retrieve/change private keys)

Hello @ned,

First of all, I can't imagine how much was the latest decision difficult and painful for everyone in Steemit inc. But I think it's far better to re-structure the company during the recession to transfer to be a "survival" mode.

And these are my questions if possible you can cover on the livestream :)

1. Are the "core" devs for SMT still remaining in Steemit inc and the recent cost structure is able to bring them till the end of the project?

I know you've commented many times that SMT may be postponeded but still on track. But as one of the fully committed SMT candidates, we'd like to see more "feasible" information about that.

It would be great if you can mention more specifically like SMT core devs such as mvandeberg, theoreticalbts, or sgerbino (I just looked them from Github and seem to be core devs...) still 100% committed on team.

2. What functions (that Steemit inc so far covered) will be removed from your new org's priority?

For example, you've already mentioned Steemit.com is under maintenance mode, full node/API issue, marketing, PR, investor's relation, etc. If you can share your idea about these following categories, it will give more chances for communities to take some of the functions to collaborate:

  1. Functions/features Steemit inc will keep pushing
  2. Functions/features that will be just maintained
  3. Functions/features that Steemit inc won't be able to cover from now on

Again, I'm so glad that you decide to perform the livestream in this period , which will be super helpful for communities to understand how we can work together. Thanks so much :)

Hi @ned,

First of all we have to solve some problem about steem economy. Yes, i know all market is crushed. But On steemit has a basic economic problem.

  • If no effort is made to extend economic growth to all users, the community will continue to experience the same problems with the slightest problem.

  • If you look at the traditional national economies, you will see that the basic problem is there. However, the same problems are experienced in crypto communities.

  • What is the main purpose of being a community? When we look at it economically, individuals who produce all value receive as much share as the value they add. But there is a problem here, and rewards don't distrubted fairly. Most of the rewards go to the whales.

  • If the economy growth does not extend to all users, feudalism emerges in the community. And feodalism starts to manage all ecosystem.

The reason people prefer crypto economy is because they want to solve the basic problem I mentioned in the traditional economy. However, the same problems continue to occur here as well.

If you focus on this, we will add a stronger value to the community. Thank you for your work.

Are you going to play guitar?

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Looks like it buddy. The issue is so much critical but it seems very fun to him. I love the positivity, but I hate the timing.

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I dont think showing his musical tallents is whats needed right now....lets taje bets if he plays, i bet no, if i lose i will upvote ur comment

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Bet is on!

If I lose I will upvote your comment.

Not sure if it's been stated but if you plan to phase out (beyond "maintenance mode") the steemit.com interface maybe move password change to steem.com?

Password change is something we don't have or plan to have anytime soon at https://steempeak.com nor almost any other app has that so that's the one thing we all presently rely on for steemit.com.

Also we want to that the Nodes won't suffer, presently there's a lot of dependence on them (probably too much)


Anway, Thanks for making a good blockchain that is fast and free to transact. We have most of the parts needed to be successful. I think app makers and the community can certainly step up to make what we have work.

So, you'll continue to play your guitar while everything is falling apart?

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Nero was an emperor. Ned is just irresponsible kid. He probably stashed some money and couldn't care less.

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dunno about irresponsible but he's definitely RICH.

i love that it opens with "more conversation" - comments and Chat is disabled for this live stream

How much did those fancy couchs cost? And how long is it going to take you to figure out how to use youtube, which billions of people as young as 5 or 6 years old have been doing for years?

What a shit show.

It would be interesting to hear why are you using YouTube, instead of DTube for livestreams @dtube @heimindanger

All major social media websites earn majority of their revenue through advertisements, don't you think Steemit Inc should consider enabling ads on Steemit and have it distributed between the content creator and the platform.

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What are your thoughts and putting ads (via brave or more traditional ads) on steemit.com (or destiny whatever it is) to get fiat funds ?

What do you mean by livestream test?

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@ned,

I'm going to tune in. Thanks for the heads up.

I have been critical in the past because I really want STEEM to take root and grow into a massive social media empire.

I understand the situation is what it is, and complaining at this point will do no good.

Instead of criticism, I have a suggestion.

STEEM blogs have an amazing ability to show up on search engines. Much of that is due to the mirroring of STEEM blogs through multiple Dapps. Another reason is that STEEM Dapps are very trusted sites for google search bots.

You should capitalize on this unique feature of STEEM blogs. Businesses pay top dollar to get search traffic to their site. Google and other companies do it all the time. You should charge businesses of all kinds that are looking to pay to boost their traffic. Then delegate the task of blogging about the business to freelance bloggers. Determine a fair split of Steemit Inc as finder fee/organizer and part of the proceeds go to the freelance blogger.

You don't even have to organize this at all. Just get a few entrepreneurs to work as salesman to the businesses and they take a commission for sales.

Okay, this is interesting...

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I am a bit worried.

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Im always a little bit worried...

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Don't be scared.

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Im not scared, and I never seen a fnord in my entire life.
following

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@ned, did you have any safeguards in place to protect any intellectual properties prior to the layoff or presently?

The remainder of the team is staying on to focus primarily on reducing the costs of the infrastructure running steemit.com and our public APIs, and ensuring that the community can remain informed of developments.

To me that sounds like all developments other than cost reductions are put to a full stop.

Do you have other plans other than waiting for the market to swing back upwards?

Q1: What is your opinion about worker proposals/using a certain amount of the reward pool specifically to incentivize development for/on Steem. (Condenser, Steemconnect, etc.)?

Q2: Would you consider being more active on Steem(it)? In the very early days, from my point of view, it was quite normal to see yours and dan's upvotes & activity.


Thank you for doing this! It's very much appreciated.

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Worker proposals have been discussed a lot before. The conclusion was that delegation is much easier and does basically the same job.

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You cant buy servers with a delegation. The dapps need to pay for their own full rpc nodes. The reliance on delegations and wishful thinking, is not a business model.

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I don't disagree with you. Just saying this was discussed before. That's why it was included in bitshares and not in steem which came after bitshares, because they felt it was unnecessary since delegation was basically the same thing. Isn't Fundition designed for something like this? Not really sure it needs to be part of the rewards structure of the blockchain iteself.

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That can't be correct since delegation didn't exist when Steem was developed and for about a year after.

In fact it was stated early on that worker proposals were excluded: a) for general simplification; b) because it was believed that the general reward pool could suffice (i.e. if you want to be paid for work, post a proposal and get votes, then later post one or more updates/reports/evidence of work and get more votes); and c) because witness rewards were about 5x higher and it was believed that witnesses could/would fund workers (the 5x higher witness rewards were removed in HF16 as part of a realignment of witnesses away from being a general funding mechanism).

And no (in b. above) I don't mean self-upvotes via delegation. I mean other stakeholders recognizing the value of your work and rewarding it. We could talk about other problems with how the reward pool works in practice, of course, but that's out of scope of this specific issue.

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You might be correct on that I remember hearing delegation but it could have simply been "getting votes" instead. Either way they felt it was unnecessary.

Won't SMT's solve this issue since they have funding built in with ICO's. The project could simply create a new token for every project they wanted funded. I'd rather have the resources spent on developing SMT's than worker proposals. But I'm not against the idea. My only concern regarding SMT's is the new SEC regulations, which would require every ICO to register with the SEC but that's a separate discussion.

However if it was implemented on the blockchain I'd rather have the proposals be account based not stake based. The issue with stake based is often proposals that benefit the wealthy are voted in while the other ones that benefit the community overall would be ignored. Obviously that technology is not available.

Also you can read the steem budget proposal whitepaper that was published last year and see andrarchy's responses to it. Basically he's saying that it requires a lot of effort and testing and would take a long time to get this pushed through since it's a major change to the economics of the platform.

Unrelated to this topic I'm in another coin which I won't mention, but it's mainnet launched just a few days ago and they already have KYC account based voting lol and proposals. Personally I'd rather lose a little privacy and move away from a plutocracy than have all the voting stake based.

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I have no idea how you think fundition is a business model. Possibly for some seed capital, but yeah, I don't think you really are speaking to the problem being discussed, because delegation is not the same as any kind of income or financing for a business.

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Seed capital is all you need, and if isn't enough you create another funding. You just have to be wise about how you spend your money.

And to be honest "seed capital" is what's holding up the steem blockchain already. Investors bought in with seed capital and a percentage of that is being cashed out each year with inflation. So proposals on Steem if that was changed on the blockchain level, are basically funded with seed capital anyway, just indirectly.

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I own a business, I've sold two, and Ive been in the workforce since 1985 helping startups through fortune 50 companies be successful, and without income, you have no business. Income is also know as a revenue model, and freeloading off public nodes, while at most being able to self vote with a delegation, is NOT a business model.

I don't think you know what you are talking about, and I'm not wasting any more time teaching basic, business-has-to-make-money-and-pay-for-its-own-infrastructure fundamentals here.

Have a good day. Let me know if you come up with a sustainable business model not built on somebody else's expensive resources, that can make payroll and keep the lights on without an income stream. Delegation is not income nor really even capital. It's somebody elses money you cant spend, without basically draining the pool for yourself, which is not going to work for long, for anybody, and isn't enough anyway.

Wow. Just wow. "Delegations" ... no. just... no.

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Common sense dude, seed capital to start and then create something of value that builds sustainable income. Steem Monsters is a good example, people buy cards. SteemMonsters is sustainable without needing a share of the rewards. Anyway it's a dumb argument lets move on.

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So, you are suggesting using reward pool to fund nodes when you say “use delegations”?

That’s a lot of self votes coming up.

Is there a way to monetize operating and maintaining nodes @ned @andrarchy and could ads be one of the ways to do that with the profits going to the node owners, not the Dapp owners.

Nice.

Really looking forward to this!

Are there plans for Steemit Inc to generate revenue and rely on more than token appreciation ?

Congratulations @ned!
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Random question, but @ned have you ever been to Estonia to observe their technological infrastructure? Have you heard of Estonia e-Residency? Please look it up. https://e-resident.gov.ee/

can be a Authorcoin a Solution like i explain in my post ?https://steemit.com/steemit/@freddio/author-coin-the-solution

Looks like this bully flagged me so I will repost this until he gets tired of it apologies in advance!Screenshot 2018-11-29 at 12.12.57.png

@ned as long as people are allowed to hurt and destroy other accounts for standing up to them steemit is sadly going to fail. I know many keep on telling you this but it seems that it lands on deaf ears :(

here is the post where the is doing this :
https://steemit.com/haejin/@nathen007/20-of-the-whole-reward-pool-to-1-person-decentralisation-in-all-its-glory

Thanks for planning this AMA, gentlemen. It's much needed.

I have 1, two-part question, and it is for @andrarchy. Six months ago, you wrote this about your (now former) co-workers:

These are the kindest, most diligent, most intelligent, hardest working, people I have ever had the privilege of working with and now think of as friends. I can't help but feel incredibly honored to be a part of this incredible team and community.

Q - Do you agree with the decision to get rid of more than 70% of your co-workers at once?

And, as a follow-up Q - On a scale of 1 to 10, how would you rate your optimism toward Steem now compared to the optimism you felt when you were first hired on with Steemit Inc?

I guess I should just get a pop up notification from YouTube since I'm a subscriber. 👍

Should be very interesting. I need to workout the time difference, I think that will be 3 am tomorrow for me, ouch.

Good luck, I expect you will be hit with a ton of questions.

Hello @ned and @steemit. We are building a p2p exchange for Steem and want help from the steemit inc. in form of delegation.

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